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'Stalin was an athiest' is just another way of saying 'Hitler ate sugar, so sugar is bad', isn't it?
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 852 pagad, Sat, 10th Dec '11 10:08:31 AM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
Yup. As would be "Ivan the Terrible was a Russian Orthodox Christian, so all Russian Orthodox Christians are bad".
Typhoid and swans - it all comes from the same place.
What silly arguments. It's stupid to think that either atheists or christians in general have a higher probability of being a bad person than a person picked at random does.
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 854 Ramus, Sat, 10th Dec '11 10:15:50 AM from some computer somwhere.
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Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin was an Orthodox Christian, therefore all Othodox Christians are stupidly hard to kill.
The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
...or lower chance, now that I mention it. I suspect a Christian/Atheist has exactly the same probability of being a BAD person as a person picked at random.
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 856 pagad, Sat, 10th Dec '11 10:24:21 AM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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We are all members of the species Homo sapiens, are we not? tongue
Typhoid and swans - it all comes from the same place.
 857 Ramus, Sat, 10th Dec '11 10:29:16 AM from some computer somwhere.
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Psha, being a homo sapien has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with how human you are.
The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
 858 USAF713, Sat, 10th Dec '11 10:32:01 AM from the United States
I changed accounts.
I think it isn't that Stalin was (or wasn't) an atheist, it's that the Soviet Union was (officially) anti-theist and went on an anti-religion crusade involving the execution of fucktons of people for no good reason.
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 859 Colonial1. 1, Sat, 10th Dec '11 10:46:46 AM from The Marvelous River City
Crazed Lawrencian
ANYWAY, COMRADES...

What about Russian Saints?
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What's the point of being grown up if you can't act childish?
 860 Ramus, Sat, 10th Dec '11 11:09:43 AM from some computer somwhere.
Lead.
Wikipedia has an index on them.
The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
I like Tsarevich Dmitry Ivanovich myself, as far as interesting stories go.
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 862 De Marquis, Sat, 10th Dec '11 3:36:19 PM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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I find Russian Orthodoxy a little disturbing, there's more than a whiff of ethnic nationalism in their practices.
“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
 863 The Earth Sheep, Sat, 10th Dec '11 4:30:45 PM from a Pasture hexagon
Christmas Sheep
Katrika: I wasn't arguing that because Stalin was evil, all atheists are evil, I was arguing that Lawyer's "I know an evil Christian, trust me" business is invalid.
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 864 Colonial1. 1, Sat, 10th Dec '11 4:34:10 PM from The Marvelous River City
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Well, the Orthodox Church was an arm of the Tsarist state.

How many kings have been canonised in Russia?
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What's the point of being grown up if you can't act childish?
 865 De Marquis, Sun, 11th Dec '11 1:49:30 PM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
The Romanovs are the only ones I know of.

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
 866 USAF713, Sun, 11th Dec '11 1:54:44 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
Of the Euro-American branches of Christianity, I think the Russian Orthodoxy is the one I know the least about.
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 867 Joesolo, Sun, 11th Dec '11 2:05:15 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Being pretty much banned from the country it was based in for ~70 years didn't help it much.
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 868 Colonial1. 1, Sun, 11th Dec '11 4:52:27 PM from The Marvelous River City
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Banned, but practice still went on.
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What's the point of being grown up if you can't act childish?
 869 Joesolo, Sun, 11th Dec '11 6:01:30 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
True. Some Christians are always Determinators. Even during Roman times. Theres always some of us who truly follow it.

When it's mainstream though, then theres lots of Not-So-Christians.

edited 11th Dec '11 6:02:28 PM by Joesolo

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 870 Ramus, Sun, 11th Dec '11 6:23:19 PM from some computer somwhere.
Lead.
Well, that's the thing, what it means to be Christian depends on the person. Due to Jesus' love of allegory and metaphors, there's no one way to interpret how to be Christian, especially since he went out of his way to override plenty of the Old Testament stuff. Granted, there's some things he lays out flat, but beyond the broad strokes, it's really up to you.
The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
 871 Lawyerdude, Wed, 14th Dec '11 11:43:42 AM from my secret moon base
Citizen
I posted here earlier asking about what happened to the twelve apostles. I was also wondering about first and second century martyrs. Does anybody have information about early Christians who were killed for their beliefs where they could have saved their lives by recanting?
What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.
 872 De Marquis, Thu, 15th Dec '11 11:53:55 AM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?apostles.htm
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 873 Lawyerdude, Thu, 15th Dec '11 4:13:56 PM from my secret moon base
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Yes, I've heard several of those stories before, but never found much detail beyond that. Where did the extra-Biblical accounts come from? The book quoted was from the 16th century. Surely there were earlier records than that, right?
What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.
 874 De Marquis, Fri, 16th Dec '11 4:07:30 PM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
The earliest source that I know of is Eusebius "Eusebius wrote the first surviving history of the Christian Church as a chronologically-ordered account, based on earlier sources complete from the period of the Apostles to his own epoch." He isn't considered reliable. Bear in mind that the people involved in the events as they were happening didn't seem to keep written records, or else those records didn't survive.
“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
 875 Noir Grimoir, Fri, 16th Dec '11 7:47:10 PM from San Diego, CA
Rabid Fujoshi
Doesn't completely answer your question but maybe it will interest you [1]

If you type in "early christian martyrs" into Google books you'll get a whole lot of material with enough of a preview to give you some decent info. [2]

edited 16th Dec '11 7:49:54 PM by NoirGrimoir

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