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 "You fail to grasp the basic principles of mad science. Common sense would be cheating." - Narbonic
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Yup. As would be "Ivan the Terrible was a Russian Orthodox Christian, so all Russian Orthodox Christians are bad".
"You fail to grasp the basic principles of mad science. Common sense would be cheating." - Narbonic
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Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin was an Orthodox Christian, therefore all Othodox Christians are stupidly hard to kill.
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We are all members of the species Homo sapiens, are we not? 
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Psha, being a homo sapien has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with how human you are.
The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
 I changed accounts.
I think it isn't that Stalin was (or wasn't) an atheist, it's that the Soviet Union was (officially) anti-theist and went on an anti-religion crusade involving the execution of fucktons of people for no good reason.
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ANYWAY, COMRADES...
What about Russian Saints?
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Wikipedia has an index on them.
The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
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I find Russian Orthodoxy a little disturbing, there's more than a whiff of ethnic nationalism in their practices.
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Katrika: I wasn't arguing that because Stalin was evil, all atheists are evil, I was arguing that Lawyer's "I know an evil Christian, trust me" business is invalid.
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Well, the Orthodox Church was an arm of the Tsarist state.
How many kings have been canonised in Russia?
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What's the point of being grown up if you can't act childish?
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The Romanovs are the only ones I know of.
“The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don’t have any.”
I changed accounts.
Of the Euro-American branches of Christianity, I think the Russian Orthodoxy is the one I know the least about.
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Banned, but practice still went on.
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edited 11th Dec '11 6:02:28 PM by Joesolo Lead.
Well, that's the thing, what it means to be Christian depends on the person. Due to Jesus' love of allegory and metaphors, there's no one way to interpret how to be Christian, especially since he went out of his way to override plenty of the Old Testament stuff. Granted, there's some things he lays out flat, but beyond the broad strokes, it's really up to you.
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I posted here earlier asking about what happened to the twelve apostles. I was also wondering about first and second century martyrs. Does anybody have information about early Christians who were killed for their beliefs where they could have saved their lives by recanting?
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http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?apostles.htm
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Yes, I've heard several of those stories before, but never found much detail beyond that. Where did the extra-Biblical accounts come from? The book quoted was from the 16th century. Surely there were earlier records than that, right?
What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.
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The earliest source that I know of is Eusebius "Eusebius wrote the first surviving history of the Christian Church as a chronologically-ordered account, based on earlier sources complete from the period of the Apostles to his own epoch." He isn't considered reliable. Bear in mind that the people involved in the events as they were happening didn't seem to keep written records, or else those records didn't survive.
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Doesn't completely answer your question but maybe it will interest you [1]
If you type in "early christian martyrs" into Google books you'll get a whole lot of material with enough of a preview to give you some decent info. [2]
edited 16th Dec '11 7:49:54 PM by NoirGrimoir SPATULA, Supporters of Page Altering To Urgently Lead to Amelioration (supports not going through TRS for tweaks and minor improvements.)
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