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The Whimsy Sue:

That's the only thing I can think to call this character type.

My brain began to codify the character while watching Disney's Babes in Toyland. Basically, it's a character who gets away with being a Jerk Ass or something because they're supposed to be whimsical and humorous.

In this film, the toymaker decides to use his assistant's new toymaking invention himself because HE'S the head toymaker, then doesn't follow his assistant's instructions and promptly breaks it. Then he puts all the blame on the assistant. Basically, a boss from hell.

Then he refuses to let some lost children stay at his home until they promise to work "day and night" building toys for him.

And yet despite his obvious narcissism, the character is supposed to be likeable and amusing.

I would say that the Whimsy Sue is lot like The Wonka gone horribly, horribly wrong. It's not comedic sociopathy. The writer apparently thinks the character is Too Funny to Be Evil. Nobody will ever call out the character's abusive behavior, natch.

Has anyone else encountered a character like this?
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I think you got something, but you're talking to the wrong dogs.

edited 19th Oct '11 12:18:44 PM by KillerClowns

 3 Madrugada, Wed, 19th Oct '11 12:18:49 PM Relationship Status: In season
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That's for making a new trope. Which might not be a good idea, adding to the stable of Sues. They cause us enough trouble.

That said, Willy Wonka is close to this sort of character in the books.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
Which might not be a good idea, adding to the stable of Sues. They cause us enough trouble.
Indeed. Because of that, I didn't actually intend on making a new Sue page, which is why I posted a thread here. I was just curious as to whether this character showed up anywhere else.
 5 Ori Doodle, Wed, 19th Oct '11 12:57:24 PM from Tracking Down My Nemesis Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
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Hmm. I can see this sue showing up in a quite a few Alternate Character Interpretation of old, slightly crazy mentors, but that's getting into canon wars territory. A straight, no-nonsense version?

That's a bit more difficult.

I glanced down the Wonka page, and saw a few that could be twisted to fit this trope. Ms. Frizzle fits in a ACI way—She endangers the kids constantly.
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 6 Madrugada, Wed, 19th Oct '11 1:04:25 PM Relationship Status: In season
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Yes, Ms Frizzle would be fired by any school in a heartbeat — if for no other reason than all the field trips with no permission slips. But the kids like her, so all is forgiven.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
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I don't think Frizzle is quite the character type Syera was thinking of. She's a bit fast and loose with the rules, but there's always the feeling she knows what she's doing, and always has a plan to prevent any serious harm.

The trouble is when the character in question is an Adult Child who shows many shades of Ambiguous Innocence or worse, but is treated by the work as unambigiously sympathetic.

edited 19th Oct '11 1:38:49 PM by KillerClowns

That covers the character quite well.

Basically, it's a character that the writer apparently thinks is whimsical, amusing, funny, and lovable but the character's "amusing" antics would be be considered heartless, even malicious by any sensible person.

Just thought of another example - Brian and Maurice from Little Monsters. If you need to know why, watch The Nostalgia Critic's review.
 9 feotakahari, Wed, 19th Oct '11 3:56:41 PM from Looking out at the city
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Does Mr. Bean qualify? He's mostly just eccentric, but he can be surprisingly selfish at times.

edited 19th Oct '11 3:57:55 PM by feotakahari

That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful
Does he do things that the writer appears to think is whimsical and funny, but makes you want to slap the character in the face and tell him to stop being such a Jerk Ass?
 11 Madrugada, Wed, 19th Oct '11 4:29:31 PM Relationship Status: In season
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I think so.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 12 nrjxll, Wed, 19th Oct '11 5:08:30 PM Relationship Status: Not war

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Because I don't intend to make it a trope; I just wanted to establish whether anyone else had observed characters who were like this.
 14 nrjxll, Wed, 19th Oct '11 5:24:36 PM Relationship Status: Not war

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 15 chihuahua 0, Wed, 19th Oct '11 5:32:34 PM from Standoff, USA Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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However, Writer's Block is a little more active, and we are a crowd to discuss tropes from a different perspective.

Plus, it tends to be a bit flexible. Remember that "Ways to Kill Somebody..." thread that got moved from On-Topic.

Isn't there a related trope to this? Something about Beethoven the dog...
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 17 Madrugada, Wed, 19th Oct '11 10:14:00 PM Relationship Status: In season
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She has said repeatedly that she is not interested in making it a new trope.

Advice on how to launch a new trope is off-topic, as are statements that it doesn't belong here.

Let it go.

edited 19th Oct '11 10:14:20 PM by Madrugada

'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
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My bad I thought you wanted to launch this as a trope.

I think a big examples is Peter Pan not exactly in the Disney version but his actions are morally questionable.

The Mask may be another example. yes he is a hero but if you think about it he is alos a big bully. Being bullied by a Reality Warper musn't be pretty.

edited 19th Oct '11 10:22:40 PM by FallenLegend

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C. S. Lewis
I think Peter Pan averts being a Whimsy Sue because while he is whimsical and amusing, his capricious and childish behavior is often portrayed as irritating, sometimes even frightening. In fact, it was partially his childish behavior that convinced Wendy to go home.
 20 jasonwill 2, Thu, 20th Oct '11 2:41:46 PM from West Virginia
that first post made me think of an evil Santa Clause
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 21 Mr AHR, Thu, 20th Oct '11 5:49:56 PM from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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I think of Dan Schneider, of Drake & Josh, The Amanda Show and iCarly fame.

He had a lot of "quirky" characters of his turn into these.

Or maybe I'm being too general with this. I also think I might be writing one

edited 20th Oct '11 5:50:39 PM by MrAHR

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