The Medical Thread:

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Producer X Rin
Random, possibly creepy question.

I heard that there is no hermaphrodite with complete genitalia for both sides. Theoretically...let's say that a hermaphrodite has complete both genitalia. Would s/he be able to impregnate him/herself?

(Sorry Pyrite, I might ask you a normal question sometimes later XP)

777 SeptimusHeap15th Mar 2014 11:49:46 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
As in, sexual intercourse between the male and female half? That would not likely be possible geometrically.
Producer X Rin
I'm talking more along the line of taking the sperm from the male genitalia and putting it in the female genitalia, if that makes any sense.
779 optimusjamie15th Mar 2014 12:50:03 PM from Right here , Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Smeghead
I imagine it could fertilise, but you'd probably run into the same sort of problems you get with inbreeding.
780 Euodiachloris15th Mar 2014 03:33:18 PM from England (Oop North) , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Euo will do!
Or, you know... to be a complete hermaphrodite... something hormonal would have to give somewhere along the line. I'd bet that the pregnancy might have to abort at some point: if the womb isn't totally up to snuff, it'd be downright dangerous. Or, if the hormonal triggers go a bit haywire: which is likely.

edited 15th Mar '14 7:25:50 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
781 Pyrite15th Mar 2014 05:16:52 PM from Right. Beneath. You. , Relationship Status: Hiding
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...I swear I explained this exact same question some time back in this very thread, back when I was still idealistic enough to help people and had the time to look it up and argue on the Internet.tongue If you can find the post, go look it up, read a bit about gonads versus external genitalia and the sex hormones. Basically, your best option would be to get a surrogate womb, because as Euo said, even if you can get past the anatomical barriers, the hormone imbalance is going to screw the foetus and pregnancy up pretty badly.

And don't even ask me about the kid's genetic makeup.

edited 15th Mar '14 5:40:55 PM by Pyrite

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Producer X Rin
Found it! Wow, that is quite detailed.

I just had to type medical thread hermaphrodite make Pyrite suffer on google site search.

Basically, I'm asking this because I just read a short fantasy story that involves villain who can modify any kind of body, and uses that ability to defeat and capture heroes that come to stop him...and turn them into women and impregnates them.

One scene involved the villain recalling how the first female tat he impregnated was himself in a female form. Apparently ability to modify your body means you can switch your sex at will.

Yeah. It was weird.

edited 15th Mar '14 6:59:26 PM by dRoy

Oh my god, that discussion came up as a result of my roleplaying group. I'd forgotten that shit... I still can't believe that that happened...
784 Euodiachloris15th Mar 2014 07:27:34 PM from England (Oop North) , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Euo will do!
[up][up]That's not being a hermaphrodite. <_< That's self-triggered transsexualism of the Opposite-Sex Clone type. Which... is a whole 'nuther can of worms.

edited 15th Mar '14 7:28:34 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
Producer X Rin
@Euo - It was the closest real life example I could think of. <_<

Opposite sex clone intercourse...I wonder how that's gonna work.

@Pyrite -

And don't even ask me about the kid's genetic makeup.

........I'm curious.
786 Euodiachloris15th Mar 2014 07:40:02 PM from England (Oop North) , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Euo will do!
[up]Because you + you = (if you're lucky, mildly scrambled) you. <_< Genetically, that is. And, if you don't go the substitute mother route... that includes the mitochondrial DNA.

And, that's a potential disaster zone. We're not built to be amoebas. The probability is always going to be "horribly scrambled you" as a result, because we don't have error-checking in place to stop terrible things going wrong for that particular scenario.

The good news is: the mistakes are likely to be that bad, the foetus would never get off the ground thanks to most of what we have in place. <_< The problems would start if the errors don't get picked up as problems thanks to "the cancer thing". You know... because many cancers can avoid the immune system killing them off because they are us?

A foetus can be thought of as a barely tolerated alien that has to jump through hoops as it is. If it happens to be us, but has problems that don't get noted thanks to not being "alien"... <shudders> That's sodding dangerous for all concerned. <_< Because, birth is not just triggered by the mother... The worst-case scenario is... continually growing cancer that started as a form of foetus and, because "us", doesn't trigger birth as it identifies (both to it and our immune system) as an organ, not a foetus-going-haywire.

edited 15th Mar '14 8:14:54 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
787 Pyrite15th Mar 2014 09:55:40 PM from Right. Beneath. You. , Relationship Status: Hiding
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Roy: There's a lot to do with the masking of detrimental homozygous recessive alleles by heterozygosity and chromosomal disjunction during meiosis, but basically: Worst. Inbreeding. Ever.

just bugs meAnd WTF kind of fiction have you been reading, boy? Give me five Hail Marys, twenty pushups and a freaking drink! Stat!just bugs me

EDIT: Sorry, Hermie. Hope things are going better these days.

edited 15th Mar '14 10:12:44 PM by Pyrite

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Producer X Rin
I think I get what you guys are talking about. I actually went over this about weeks ago in my human biology class.

Oh, and Pyrite, that ain't no fanfic. It's an original story.

Yes. Yes it is.

And now I'm off to bed, praying the imagery from that story doesn't appear in my dream.
789 Euodiachloris15th Mar 2014 10:18:47 PM from England (Oop North) , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Euo will do!
[up][up]You forgot the Brain Bleach. Impregnating enemies that have suddenly been turned female? Can we say "involuntary sex and pregnancy", much? That's a nightmare, not a "taming strategy". <_<

Not to mention: how the hell does becoming pregnant "tame" a woman, anyway? <_<

edited 15th Mar '14 10:19:43 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
790 Pyrite15th Mar 2014 10:26:05 PM from Right. Beneath. You. , Relationship Status: Hiding
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Misogyny and rape. Brain bleach not needed yet, but palate cleanser would be welcome.

edited 15th Mar '14 10:26:50 PM by Pyrite

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791 QuestionMarc17th Mar 2014 08:39:08 AM from Down-town Canada , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Anyone have a good article that covers what kind of difficulties ($$$, practical and psychological) a family can encounter when dealing with a relative that is sick/vegetable/on the way out?

It's for college and my google-fu is failing me.

edited 17th Mar '14 8:39:35 AM by QuestionMarc

Just enough pride.
792 Pyrite17th Mar 2014 09:33:13 AM from Right. Beneath. You. , Relationship Status: Hiding
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Have you tried looking up articles on palliative care? This specialty deals heavily with end-of-life issues and terminal illness, so you might find something useful.
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793 QuestionMarc17th Mar 2014 10:29:54 AM from Down-town Canada , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I haven't, sounds like a good place to start.
Just enough pride.
794 Yuanchosaan17th Mar 2014 04:32:01 PM from Australia , Relationship Status:
antic disposition
Does your uni give you access to Med Line? If not, I can search it up for you later tonight.
"Doctor Who means never having to say you're kidding." - Bocaj
795 QuestionMarc17th Mar 2014 04:47:40 PM from Down-town Canada , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
It won't be needed, I tripped on this bad boy (PDF) that about cover up what I need (and more).

Thanks though.
Just enough pride.
796 MarqFJA18th Mar 2014 09:57:36 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
As in, sexual intercourse between the male and female half? That would not likely be possible geometrically.
... What the hell does geometry have to do with this issue of medical biology?

@Pyrite's long explanation on the issues with human hermaphroditism: Good points. It's probably a good idea that I decided to make my version of true human hermaphroditism require that the hermaphrodites in question have a special genetic mutation (or a set of mutations) that either supplements or replaces both the male and female hormones with a "hermaphrodite hormone" that offsets some or all of those hormonal balance problems.

edited 18th Mar '14 10:01:33 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
797 rmctagg0919th Mar 2014 08:36:32 AM from Brooklyn, NY , Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
798 Pyrite19th Mar 2014 08:42:42 AM from Right. Beneath. You. , Relationship Status: Hiding
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... What the hell does geometry have to do with this issue of medical biology?

...In default location, penis cannot into own vagina. In default scenario, only one set external genitalia. Geometry, Anatomy, Embryology, whatever, all fail, F-, see me after class, no buy futa doujin at Comiket. *froths at mouth*

(Kidding.tongue)

[up]Just so you know - yes, I do read your links. Very interesting stuff. Still experimental, sadly, but hopefully there'll be more concrete results in the future.

edited 19th Mar '14 8:56:25 AM by Pyrite

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799 MarqFJA19th Mar 2014 04:39:30 PM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Question: Why does being sick sometimes cause your body heat to rise (i.e. fever), often throughout the whole body? What's "creating" this thermal energy? The body couldn't be burning its fuel that much.

...In default location, penis cannot into own vagina. In default scenario, only one set external genitalia. Geometry, Anatomy, Embryology, whatever, all fail, F-, see me after class, no buy futa doujin at Comiket. *froths at mouth*
I'll go with anatomy, thank you very much. tongue

PS: Didn't know that you're familiar with that particular trope in futa-hentai doujinshi. (And yes, it's a trope. Just because this site doesn't allow for cataloguing porn tropes doesn't mean that there are no porn tropes.)

edited 19th Mar '14 4:41:30 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
800 LeGarcon19th Mar 2014 04:42:06 PM from Skadovsk , Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
I think the heat is your body trying boil germs alive or something.

Or This really sauve looking guy in leather pants fucking with your hypothalamus
Oh really, when?

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