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"trope" as placeholder: Gonna Need More X get usage counts

 1 Spark 9, Sun, 16th Oct '11 12:16:23 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
The practice of using the word "trope" as a placeholder or metasyntactic variable has been discontinued for awhile, so we should come up with an alternative for Gonna Need More Trope.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 2 shimaspawn, Sun, 16th Oct '11 12:45:10 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Or we can just cut it as a meaningless stock phrase with no core trope holding it together. That works too.
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Is there a trope we could merge it with? We don't need this.

edited 16th Oct '11 1:10:39 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Can't this be reworked with more trope-ness? I'm not sure it's a Stock Phrase so much as a Stock Gag,

 5 sgrunt, Sun, 16th Oct '11 6:20:39 PM from the depths of your mind
There's a trope in here somewhere - that is, suddenly being confronted with a problem much larger in magnitude than what you came prepared for* . As it's presented right now, though, it is indeed more about the Stock Phrase - if we want to go in that direction, we'd need to do some example sorting, and looking at how things are right now we might not be left with a lot afterwards.
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 6 Meta Four, Sun, 16th Oct '11 6:49:08 PM from the house of bread and battle
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that is, suddenly being confronted with a problem much larger in magnitude than what you came prepared for
We've got Gonna Need A Bigger Warrant, but what you're describing would probably be its supertrope.
Well, the gag's definitely a sister trope(though as written this is just a ridiculously specific subtrope of understatement).
Yeah, unwritten rule number one: follow all the unwritten procedures. - Camacan
 8 Spark 9, Fri, 16th Dec '11 4:19:09 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Bump. Do we merge this, cutlist it, or something else? Suggestions please :)
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 9 Dr Starky, Fri, 16th Dec '11 10:51:42 AM from Corn And Pig Land Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
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I vote to cut.
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 10 Louie W, Fri, 16th Dec '11 12:52:21 PM from Babycowland
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There is now a page action crowner for this trope here. Feel free to add options as you see fit.
Gonna Need More Trope found in: 85 articles, excluding discussions.

Since January 1, 2011 this article has brought 88 people to the wiki from non-search engine links.

I think it is probably worth noting that Minor Crime Reveals Major Plot (a.k.a. Gonna Need A Bigger Warrant) is actually a pretty specific trope, so from what I can tell there does seem to be room for a supertrope there.
"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d
I think I would be inclined to go with the discussed new definition, but change the name to simply, "Gonna need a Bigger Boat" examples need not be all boats, but I think it's more likely to bring in outside activity, and is enough of an established term to not confuse folks too much that not every example is a boat.
 
[up]I've never heard it.
Yeah, unwritten rule number one: follow all the unwritten procedures. - Camacan
I've seen this a lot. Either as a comedy trope or a drama trope.

As comedy trope: someone is carrying a butterfly net and sees a fifty foot butterfly pass. There's a beat and they say, "I'm gonna need a bigger net." The comedy being when a monster butterfly is rampaging, you're gonna need more than a net.

As a drama trope is similar to Oh Crap, like when bringing amuntion to fight of swarm of monsters, and they see just how big it is. "I'm gonna need more bullets."
 
Does anything about the "redefine" option negate the "rename" one? I'd have thought the reason for renaming would make obvious that's a good idea whether we redefine this or not.
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[up]The two are perfectly compatible.
Yeah, unwritten rule number one: follow all the unwritten procedures. - Camacan
[up] Guess I just got the wrong impression from them being different options on the crowner.
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 17 Cider, Tue, 20th Dec '11 6:50:16 PM from Not New York Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
Cut it, its basically the same thing As When All You Have Is a Hammer. No, it is the same trope. They should be merged.
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[up][up]I'm pretty sure we shouldn't stick multiple options together if they can be done separately.
Yeah, unwritten rule number one: follow all the unwritten procedures. - Camacan
 19 Louie W, Thu, 22nd Dec '11 12:03:31 PM from Babycowland
Loser
20 Log Root 10,

I think it is alright to stick options together if they make sense together and I feel like renaming and redefining would be one example of that. Having crowner options like "merge tropes W and L under name W" and "merge tropes W and L under name L" when merging two tropes seems reasonable to me too.

That being said, if two options that are not mutually exclusive both receive consensus support, I am pretty sure that both those changes can be implemented. The key things, from what I can tell, are to generally have two crowners for a rename and to not go through with two changes if the options are mutually exclusive. For example, if one option says "just rename, " then it precludes taking other actions on the trope.

edited 22nd Dec '11 12:11:39 PM by LouieW

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d
When All You Have Is a Hammer's first line "A character has a limited offensive repertoire, but the writer wants to make him look clever anyway, so he faces him off against something which requires a little bit of strategy." The strategy is not More Dakka because that is not clever. They're related tropes but not the same trope.

When All You Have Is a Hammer Using the same thing in different circumstances. Its about being creative and creating different uses. The article uses the example of 'punching'. 'punch really hard' is modified to 'punch really hard, in the face'.

Gonna Need More Trope "in response to an emergeny situation wherein the speaker suddenly realizes either the sudden absence of a necessity, or that the one in his/her possession is woefully insufficient." There's nothing here about tactics. There's nothing about being clever. As noted in the article its used for comedy.
 
 21 Spark 9, Sun, 25th Dec '11 3:26:53 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I'm amazed how many people still think we should use "trope" as a placeholder, I thought we discontinued this ages ago.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
The crowner has been up for over two weeks now. Does anyone else feel like calling it?
 
Yeah, call it.
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I'm amazed how many people still think we should use "trope" as a placeholder, I thought we discontinued this ages ago.

And that means we have to agree with said discontinuation? Personally, I kind of liked it.
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 25 Camacan, Fri, 13th Jan '12 9:11:49 PM from Australiatown
Well we certainly aren't gonna be accepting any more trope titles based around Stock Phrases or "Trope" as a placeholder.

Calling crowner.

Alternative Titles: Gonna Need More Trope
19th Jan '12 10:49:12 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
Previous crowner showed consensus support for a rename.
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