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Nice Job Snowcloning It, Hero (Alt Title crowner 2/28/12): Painting The Medium get usage counts

@Aquillion: I totally agree, although I think you meant Medium Awareness, not Leaning on the Fourth Wall.

head to the image picking thread. There are a couple replacements to choose from.

edited 23rd Feb '12 12:27:45 PM by abk0100

The paladin has metatexual awareness in addition to Medium Awareness.
 
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The image doesn't convey that to me. For all we know it could be a Fourth Wall Psych.
"Painting The Fourth Wall" creates a memorable image.

"Medium Context Clues" is a bland, uninteresting term with very little to make it stand out from innumerable other ones.

Not that I expect this to stop anyone, I'm just unreasonably upset for losing this one. But if anyone can suggest a vivid name, I'm all for it.

Painting the Fourth Wall does creates a memorable image, I agree with you.

The problem is that, according to how people are using the trope, it creates the wrong image.

The other Fourth Wall tropes involve breaking, or coming close to breaking the fourth wall. This trope has nothing to do with that.

I don't like Medium Context Clues either, but the fact is that Painting the Fourth Wall is just not a good name. I'm sure we can find a better one if we put some effort into it.

edited 25th Feb '12 1:47:01 PM by abk0100

Ok, how about Painting the Medium?
 
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 133 shimaspawn, Sun, 26th Feb '12 9:11:49 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Calling crowner in favour of a rename.
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 134 Septimus Heap, Tue, 28th Feb '12 2:46:41 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I already made the Alt titles crowner, let's see...

Ah, here it is.

[up] I changed the "At issue" part a bit to fit the page's new description.

I'm also thinking that words like "non-diegetic" and "paratext" aren't really as relevant as I thought they were. I like some of those other names better.

Visual Inflection is on YKTTW right now as a subtrope.
 
 137 Troacctid, Wed, 29th Feb '12 12:49:43 AM from California
"Context clues" is a pre-existing term for something other than this trope. I think that's a pretty good reason not to use Medium Context Clues.

edited 29th Feb '12 12:53:40 AM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
what does that pre existing term mean?
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 139 Troacctid, Wed, 29th Feb '12 10:18:45 AM from California
It's when you don't know what a word means and you figure out its meaning based on the context. Usually comes up in educational contexts.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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I'm of the opinion that NONE of these proposed renames are good. And the fact that everyone (myself included) is at a loss for finding a rename that doesn't just sound like a dry, technical term bodes poorly.

edited 29th Feb '12 10:59:32 AM by frodobatmanvader

derflatermouse.
I'm throwing in Painting the Medium. It's not pizazzy, but I think is a slight improvement over the old name.
 
 142 Madrugada, Wed, 29th Feb '12 11:33:32 AM Relationship Status: In season
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How about something like Manipulate The Format Convention?
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@139- Huh; unknown words? So what about medium conventions? Does italics always indicate a whisper? Does font size 14 always indicate normal conversation levels? Medium-Context Clues, perhaps?

If this post seems weird, it's cause I'm tired.

edited 29th Feb '12 10:17:20 PM by crazysamaritan

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 144 Troacctid, Wed, 29th Feb '12 9:47:53 PM from California
Main problem I see with "Conventions" is that all tropes are conventions. So it doesn't tell us much.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Bad News: Rule of Perception is being used in a way, on that page, that requires us to discuss that trope in relation to this one.
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 146 Troacctid, Sun, 4th Mar '12 3:38:39 PM from California
Oh, yuk, that big Rule of Perception list.

I've been meaning to do something about that for a while now. It really needs to just be an actual index.

I don't see any conflict with Painting the Fourth Wall though.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 147 Cider, Mon, 5th Mar '12 10:51:29 PM from Not New York Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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I don't see why For The Audience Not The Characters is so unpopular. Its the simplest, one there. Care to enlighten me?
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 148 Troacctid, Mon, 5th Mar '12 11:57:22 PM from California
Cuz it doesn't describe this trope at all, presumably. tongue
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Not conflict with the trope, but with our repair!

A recent oots strip http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0837.html where a joke works because the audience may have confused the two, when the characters would not make that mistake.

The two tropes are nearly the same thing.
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 150 Septimus Heap, Mon, 12th Mar '12 1:18:34 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
By the way, is this callable?

Alternative Titles: Painting The Fourth Wall
22nd Feb '12 2:35:43 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
Last Crowner established that we need to rename.

The name should indicate that the trope is "Making changes to usual medium conventions to represent things about the story" For instance, changing the appearance of a speech bubble to show that a character is evil, or a TV show changing to black-and-white to show that a flash-back is happening.

Look at the list of subtropes to get a complete idea of what the trope includes.
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