Indeed. The words "fake" and "false" means exactly the same thing, so having two completely unrelated tropes with both of them is a textbook case of not anticipating misuse.
Fake Gunshot: 30 wikilinks, 35 inbounds
False Gunshot: 49 wikilinks, 189 inbounds
Since the numbers on both are so low, let me count up questionable entries. These are the definitions I will be using:
- Fake Gunshot: A character is apparently shot and killed, but the whole act was staged (e.g. the bullets were not real)
- False Gunshot: A gun goes off and the audience wonders who just got shot
Unclear
- Fake Gunshot
- The Lives Of Harry Lime: Mentions The Sting in passing (which is a correct example of Fake Gunshot).
- Fake Kill Scare: Says to compare/contrast both tropes.
- City Slickers: Probably correct and just needs clarification.
- False Gunshot
- Undercover Brother
- Resident Evil Degeneration: There is no actual gunshot, just the expectation of one. The victim is then declared Not Worth Killing.
- Race For The Yankee Zephyr: A shot is fired, and the hero is hit not by a bullet but by a net.
- Death Note: Says "mock execution" (implying Fake Gunshot), but I know enough about DN to rule this as 'unclear' rather than 'misuse'. Somebody who's seen the ep. please research.
Confusing the two
- The Shadow: "Standard practice in radio: you don't know who was shot until someone speaks up"
- Guns and Gunplay Tropes (only because it mentions both tropes)
- Deadly Closing Credits
No explanatory context
- Fake Gunshot
- False Gunshot
- Series.The Wild Boys
- Valkyria Chronicles
- Ultra Marines
- Space Wolf
- Minority Report: Says "see Conveyor Belt of Doom above" but that doesn't explain the gunshot either.
- Lifetime Movie of the Week
- Irregular Webcomic
- Horus Heresy
- Graham Mc Neill
- Recap.Doctor Who S 9 E 2 The Curse Of Peladon
- Ben Counter
- Series.Alias
Well, the good(?) news is that neither trope is getting misused (we do have a bit of "no context" listings, but that's par)
I propose that the dangerously-similar trope names should overrrule that and a minimum of Staged Shooting for Fake Gunshot. False Gunshot can be called Gunshot Scare or something if we want.
edited 10th Oct '11 10:48:32 AM by Stratadrake
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.Yeah, I think that regardless of misuse, the two tropes should be renamed for clarity since as sgrunt pointed out, their names mean the same thing.
There is now a page action crowner for those tropes here. Feel free to add options or tell me if you think that a crowner is premature.
I like Staged Shooting and Bait-and-Switch Gunshot for possible new names.
edited 12th Oct '11 5:45:10 PM by LouieW
"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 dOr Fake Out Gunshot.
Rhymes with "Protracted."Bumpage. I concur with the need for a rename.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Well, it looks like we do, indeed, want a rename for these tropes.
Which should we focus on first?
This space for rent. Cost: your soul.Well, we can call Fake Gunshot Staged Gunshot and False Gunshot Fake Out Gunshot.
Should we swap crowners?
Well, we're +14 and unanimous. Seems like a decent consensus.
Rhymes with "Protracted."Or perhaps for the latter, Gunshot Fake Out.
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.I'm thinking that it may be a good idea to focus this thread on finding new names for Fake Gunshot (given that's referenced in the title right now), and start another thread for the benefit of False Gunshot so that we can easily distinguish between the proposed names for them. (It also avoids the problem of needing to run a crowner for each in sequence).
This space for rent. Cost: your soul.How about Third Person Shooting as an alternate name for False Gunshot?
edited 18th Oct '11 2:19:00 PM by storyyeller
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayEgad, no! Not next door to Third-Person Shooter.
edited 18th Oct '11 6:12:25 PM by Stratadrake
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.Hmm... Maybe the case of a gunshot from another person can be named in reference to the Grassy Knoll or Oswald?
As for faking a gunshot death... couldn't that just be a fake death trope in general? I'm not sure if there is one already, but if not, it seems too much of an odd distinction considering there are lots of faked deaths, and pretending to be shot is only one of them.
I make change happen... by crapping in my diaper!We do have Faking the Dead, but that's rather too general.
Actually, a large chunk of the time a character fakes a gun shot wound, but not being dead. It's often an excuse to pull them away for medical attention.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickSince there is consensus support to rename False Gunshot as well, I imagine that we can probably make another thread for that change as you suggested or have both crowners running at the same time. Actually, I think it might be possible to attach multiple crowners to the same thread. If it is, then that seems like it would make the most sense in this situation.
"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 dBumping for more votes.
Staged Shooting at 6:0
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.First, Fake Gunshot has been renamed to Staged Shooting. The wicks should be fixed, there are notes about the change on the Renamed Tropes page and in the renamed tropes thread, and I sent a report to move the discussion. It is probably worth it to check my work though.
Second, there is now an alternative titles crowner for False Gunshot here. Feel free to add names as you see fit.
"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 dBait-and-Switch Gunshot is in the lead by 6 points, and already fits the "bait-and-switch x" title pattern we already have for a few other tropes. I say we call it.
"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon StewartCalling crowner.
I didn't write any of that.False Gunshot is now a redirect for Bait-and-Switch Gunshot, the wicks should be fixed, the discussion page has been moved, and there are notes about the change on the Renamed Tropes page and in the renamed tropes thread. It may be a good idea to check my work here though.
In any event, it seems like the Fake Gunshot and False Gunshot renames have been completed, thanks to those who helped out with them.
"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 dAre we done with this thread then?
"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart
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Fake Gunshot and False Gunshot are two completely unrelated tropes, but their names are virtually identical.
If I tell you nothing other than we have two tropes with those names, what do you think each of them would correspond to?
The Fake Gunshot seems to be a staged gunshot, i.e. the sort of gunshot you expect is used in productions, whereas the False Gunshot is a bait-and-switch - someone else fired a different gunshot than the one you thought just happened.
They're two different tropes, obviously, but the names leave a lot to be desired.
If we decide to want to rename them, something like Staged Gunshot would work for the former, and Bait-and-Switch Gunshot for the latter?
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