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The Trope Seeker
Well, this is a nice chance for the Bills to build up some ground against Washington. Just get a solid game plan going, don't forget to use Fred Jackson well and have Fitzpatrick settle down whenever he throws. Sometimes, throwing it up in such a hurry can be dangerous for a QB, even for elite ones like Brees since they kinda hurry their throws without waiting to see if the recievers manages to break away from coverage.

Of course, the Red Wings are awesome and I care about hockey. I just like the Kings and the Blackhawks more. Also, LOL at the Lions for having such players like Suh who'll bite a lot more than they can chew if they keep up their verbal antics.
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 127 Seventy Seven, Tue, 25th Oct '11 9:02:00 PM from Somewhere in the US
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I'm also a hockey fan. Go Avalanche!

And yes. I'm inclined to believe the Bills'll win this one. They're definitively looking good. However, I'm hoping we can pull on the Bills what the Cowboys and Eagles did to us.
I'm working on it.
So begins one of the more lopsided weeks in the NFL. A lot of these games look like one-sided match ups on paper, but hopefully we'll see some of the little guys pull out victories against the powerhouse teams (I personally want it otherwise, or my pick-'em league will go down the toilet this week.)

Personally, if Baltimore and Seattle could actually win their games this week, instead of finding mysterious ways to lose easily winnable games, I might actually be doing better.
"I'm Commander Shepard, but I guess I'm now your therapist."
well, we had one "horrible" team win in epic style last week. I fully expect to see it again at least once.
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I pity Greg Gumbel and Phil Simms for calling Giants vs Dolphins today. I don't think this game is going to be good and they know it. That just sucks, huh?
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so far it's been pretty damned good. Matt Moore is kicking ass at pretending to be a rushing QB
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 132 MEPT 72, Sun, 30th Oct '11 12:12:37 PM from Boston, MA
Vote is No
I keep expecting the Dolphins to cough this game up in an entertainingly tragic way.
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I'm pulling for em. Just because it'd be awesome if both the dolphins and rams somehow snapped their loss streak on the same day

Pity the colts are once more confidently losing.
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 134 MEPT 72, Sun, 30th Oct '11 12:52:03 PM from Boston, MA
Vote is No
It's not a matter of pulling for them (and since they're out of the division run I frankly don't care) it's just a matter of not expecting them to play a complete game.

Which they haven't.
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Grin and bear it
...My God, the Redskins suck.
well, they did they best they ciould at least . I think the Dolphins play a lot better than their record suggests. How about them Rams though.

Steelers Holy Roller part deux? most awesomne fumble ever xD. Also I just switched to the broncos game..what the fuck. The Lions ate them alive, I see.

edited 30th Oct '11 4:26:41 PM by Midgetsnowman

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Long Live the King
I am honestly more surprised by Pittsburgh's pass defense actually being as good as it's statistics...

Apparently Dick Lebeau decided that the humiliating defensive performance in last years Superbowl was unacceptable, and has changed up his strategy in that regard. It's now apparently okay to give up 115 rushing yards a game so long as the opponent doesn't pass for more than 200. And honestly, I'd agree with that...

In another note, with the Pats loss today, next week's Sunday Night Football game determines the #1 seed in the AFC...

Edit: And, apparently I was wrong about the Lions being done... With their win and the performance of everyone else in the NFC, they have a playoff spot all but locked up...

edited 30th Oct '11 5:56:31 PM by Swish

 138 Linhasxoc, Sun, 30th Oct '11 6:02:26 PM from Floating Island Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Wow, Tebow sucks. Doubt it'll stop his most rabid fans, though.

To be fair, . a lot of it wasnt solely his fault.

The fact the Denver offensive line allowed him to get sacked practically every drive didnt help matters at all. Tebow is unseasoned, ..and the rest of his team cant support him at all. Cant expect the guy to be confident when he has to worry every play about whether his line is gonna collapse instantly and send entire teams of pissed off Lions barreling at his throat.

edited 30th Oct '11 6:10:11 PM by Midgetsnowman

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Long Live the King
[up][up]What's interesting is that while this is, for the most part, true, he's still better than half of the Quarterbacks in the league...

Edit: And I challenge anyone who disagrees to come up with 16 better quarterbacks. Because you won't find them...

edited 30th Oct '11 6:11:10 PM by Swish

 141 Kino, Sun, 30th Oct '11 7:54:32 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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[up][up][up]Where were you a year ago?[lol]
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Grin and bear it
And I challenge anyone who disagrees to come up with 16 better quarterbacks. Because you won't find them...

Tom Brady, Ben Rothlisberger, Drew Brees, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Matt Schaub, Matt Hasselbach, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Michael Vick, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Josh Freeman, Alex Smith.

And that's seventeen.

edited 30th Oct '11 10:55:55 PM by Arctimon

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The fact that you think Ryan Fitzpatrick, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Matt Schaub, Matt Hasselbach, Micheal Vick, Cam Newton, Josh Freeman, and Alex Smith are better bothers me...

I suppose it depends on how one evaluates the position... Because I disagree on those 9 names...

And I'm not sure if it should bother me more that you would not have Jay Cutler or Tony Romo on that list(not that they're better than Tebow, per se... But they are certainly better than the above names* )...

Wait... Did you just go through the list of teams with .500 or better records and pull the names of those QBs?*

edited 31st Oct '11 3:21:03 AM by Swish

 144 Linhasxoc, Mon, 31st Oct '11 4:21:34 AM from Floating Island Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Honestly, I would consider all seventeen of those quarterbacks better than Tebow. At least, better at being a pro quarterback.

Because that's the thing: there are some things you can get away with in the college game that you can't in the pros. Tebow's horrid throwing mechanics weren't a killer in college because college defensive backs aren't as good at coverage as pro backs are. Try to put someone like Tebow in the pro game, before you make sure he can read coverage and throw the ball well, and everyone gets burned.

The Trope Seeker
I'd give Fitzpatrick time because he could actually become a good QB once the entire offensive cast gets more experience playing together. Not to mention that he actually has an offensive line THAT EXISTS to protect the quarterback, since he's one of the least sacked Q Bs in the season. That's saying something because he won't have to make too many throws while other teams are harrasing his ass left and right; teams like the Saints, Bear and Broncos just can't say the same about that because their lines are terrible.

I was never totally sold on Flacco, but you want to know who's totally sold on him? John Clayton.

Alex Smith? Well, he's a surprise considering his previous years were terrible. But perhaps John Harbaugh will make him succeed somehow. At least the 49ers are winning.

Hasslebeck... Well, he's past his prime, though he has something left in the tank.

Schaub is a good QB, but you can't totally pin the Texans' woes on him because it makes little sense. It's not his fault that some of the defensive players are missing time due to injury and Andre Johnson having been inactive for 4 weeks. He's a good QB, it's just that the Texans can be damn unlucky and let go a lot of games they should have won. Perhaps this season will start to change that.

Can't comment much about the others, but they'll be coming soon enough.

Newton and Dalton: Newton has truly surprised me with the way he's been playing this season and it looks as though he's been there before and we never knew it. The one knock I can mention (And it's not on him, curiously enough) is that his supporting cast is a little weak and the defense has a lot of work to do before the Panthers can squeeze out more wins, but they will come. Dalton may well be catching up with Newton in the running for Rookie of the Year because he's starting to play pretty well too. Looking at the big picture, the Bengals suddenly have talent?!? o_O Did it suddenly grow out of trees in Ohio and we never knew about this? When did this happen? I must have been asleep. And where's Gus Johnson to tell us how he feels in each game?!

edited 31st Oct '11 10:30:11 AM by Android_Chaos

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as someone who owned a Panther's jacket in school when I was a kid and the team was new, I am totally for a Panther's team thats actually a serious contender. I love the Panthers.

That said, Cam's not quite there yet. But if he keeps improving, he's gonna be a quarterback to remember.

edited 31st Oct '11 12:12:35 PM by Midgetsnowman

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Grin and bear it
The fact that you think Ryan Fitzpatrick, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Matt Schaub, Matt Hasselbach, Micheal Vick, Cam Newton, Josh Freeman, and Alex Smith are better bothers me...

I suppose it depends on how one evaluates the position... Because I disagree on those 9 names...

And I'm not sure if it should bother me more that you would not have Jay Cutler or Tony Romo on that list(not that they're better than Tebow, per se... But they are certainly better than the above names* )...

Wait... Did you just go through the list of teams with .500 or better records and pull the names of those Q Bs?*

I just picked quarterbacks/teams at random. Keep in mind that Vick and Newton are playing for sub-500 teams and I still picked them.

The above list that I made was on a whim. If you want me to include Romo or Cassel or Cutler in that, I will. In fact, it would probably be easier for me to list the Q Bs I would put Tebow above right now:

  • John Beck
  • Blaine Gabbert (maybe)
  • Christian Ponder (iffy)
  • Kevin Colb
  • Curtis Painter

...And that's pretty much it. I'm pretty sure I'm missing someone.

Anyways, yes, all of the Q Bs you mentioned above in your quote I consider better than Tebow right now. You may not like that, but that's my opinion. You are more than welcome to disagree with that.

Look, it's not all Tebow's fault. He has no offensive line, so he can't even make plays if he doesn't have more than .2 seconds to drop back. His defense isn't playing well, so he's always playing catch-up.

Most of all, they don't have an offensive plan that suits his style. Run a bootleg, do a shotgun screen, do something that's not a "drop back, sit in the pocket for way too long and get sacked" play.

But Tebow is not a good professional quarterback right now, and the Broncos-Lions game did nothing to dissuade me from that.

edited 31st Oct '11 3:04:19 PM by Arctimon

 148 Kino, Mon, 31st Oct '11 3:13:43 PM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Connoisseur of redheads
[up][up]Seriously? I live in NC and i'm not much of a Panthers fan.

In other news...it's good to know that the Tebow-hate bandwagon is still rolling.[lol]
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[up][up][up][up] As far as I know, Gus Johnson signed a contract to do the games with FOX instead of CBS this year. It doesn't seem like FOX has got all that much use for him as I haven't really heard of any games that he's broadcast yet. If you want to check who's announcing what game every week, I would recommend this site: http://www.the506.com/temp11.html. It shows who is broadcasting what games, and what areas they'll be available in.

Watching the Eagles completely dominate the Cowboys yesterday on SNF was awesome. It's always fun to watch divisional games, but that was one of my favorites. Hopefully we can win against the Bears next week and actually get a .500 record again.

edited 31st Oct '11 3:57:25 PM by EagleFan

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