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jasonwill2 and Satanism? Awesome! :

 1 jasonwill 2, Mon, 3rd Oct '11 8:57:03 AM from West Virginia
edit: rewrote it, its less than half what it was before.

still looking for a critique though.

its in post three

edited 10th Oct '11 3:24:58 AM by jasonwill2

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 2 jasonwill 2, Mon, 3rd Oct '11 8:57:54 AM from West Virginia
hold on, my spacing didnt copy right, let me fix this

edit: okay fixed the spacing, critiquing may now commence!

edited 3rd Oct '11 9:02:51 AM by jasonwill2

as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly
 3 jasonwill 2, Mon, 10th Oct '11 3:26:58 AM from West Virginia
ok here is the redo, its much shorter

The text for the video is now much more concise and to the point.

Satanism:

A religious system in which Satan is revered as either as a symbolic being or literal entity.

Satan:

In modern Christianity, the enemy of God, the lord of evil, and the tempter of human beings.

Satan; word origin:

[Pre-12th century. Via Latin and Greek < Hebrew śāṭān "adversary" < śāṭan "accuse"]

Originally Ha-Satan in the Hebrew book of Job. Meaning translates into “the accuser” or “the adversary”. The name “Satan” was first used as a proper noun as one would say “Brother” instead of “brother” when speaking of a specific person. “Ha-Satan”, that is, The Accuser, as it was written in the original Hebrew texts, is merely a title given to an angel.

Since the advent of Christianity, translations have dropped the “Ha-” making it just “Satan.” While the original Hebrew texts call many persons “satan” as a pro-noun, only one “satan” is the “Satan.”

The clue here is that speaking in the time that the Hebrew Bible was penned, satan was a pro-noun, not a being. Many people had been called satan, including David by his enemies.

Over nearly two thousand years the Bible has been translated several times into many languages, but interestingly the instances of the word ‘satan’ being used as a pro-noun now are translated into other more accurate words such as ‘adversary’ as is the case with David. Keep in mind that the root word in the original texts IS still the Hebrew word for Satan.

How old is Satanism? That depends on who you ask.

Some will tell you that the tenets of Satanism was there since the dawn of man. But strictly speaking, Satanism has a much more definite age.

Satanism, if said to be a system that explicitly worships the Satan of Christianity/Islam/Judaism, arguably first appeared around the 11th century when the Luciferians were persecuted. But even then, Luciferians are an auxiliary to Satanism.

As of this video, the furthest back any reliable source has given me for Satanism dates to roughly 200 years ago, hardly that far at all. And even more modernly, there was no organized Satanic order until 1966, when Anton Le Vay founded the Church of Satan.

The Church of Satan is an explicitly atheistic organization today that regards Satan as an allegory, not real in any way. However, some say the sub-text of Le Vay’s writings suggest that he might have been a Pantheist, but that is up for debate.

While many Satanists differ in what they believe, Satanism is always rooted in a few main elements.

1) They all worship or revere Satan in some form or another.

2) There is a focus on independent thought, self-growth, and meeting one’s needs and desires

3) They all/most believe in/practice some form of magic/magik, whether or not it is merely applied psychology or a supernatural power, depends on the branch. Even atheistic Satanists revere Satan, despite what they say. True, they do not believe in him, but they revere/respect him in the same way that one would any other ‘fictional’ character.

As for Theistic Satanists, we also revere Satan, but some take it a step further to actually ‘worshiping him’ as a god. Some of these people are polytheistic, monotheistic, or pantheistic.

Personally I see nothing wrong with this, but many Satanists do not like the idea of “groveling” or feel that Satan does not wish to be treated in the same way as other gods. Regardless, most Satanists have a deep respect for Satan.

Ask any Satanist what their main focus is on in Satanism and you will probably get an answer about becoming stronger. Indeed, the Theist says “we will become gods” (the atheist says “we are gods”).

Satanism’s focus is on the self, meeting our needs and desires, and becoming greater. Satanists seek knowledge and truth based on logic and self-revelation. For what religion can improve life if it does not focus on it’s followers first?

‘It has been said "the truth will make men free". The truth alone has never set anyone free. It is only DOUBT which will bring mental emancipation.” -Book of Luicifer, The Satanic Bible

-video intermission-

The last thing I was going to cover was magic. To be quite honest, I do not feel fully qualified to answer this, but the Book of BELIAL provides an excellent definition.

“The change in situations or events in accordance with one's will, which would, using normally accepted [conventional] methods, be unchangeable.” -The Satanic Bible

This could be applied psychology, such as reverse psychology, subtle manipulation, or changing someone’s impression of you through dress or mannerisms.

It can also encompass mental exercises in willing suspension of disbelief in order to purge one’s self of unwanted or unneeded emotions that might otherwise inhibit them.

On the other end, one might believe magic to be fully supernatural. In any case, ‘real’ magic is often subtle. Why raise a rock above your head with your mind when it is much easier to do so with your hands?

-End-

In the next video the different branches of Satanism will be covered.

If you seek more dark knowledge, this site is a good source for those seeking a Theistic view. It is one of the oldest sites on the net for Satanism.

http://www.theisticsatanism.com

For a more atheistic view, http://www.churchofsatan.com might be a good start.

Though I will say that the former is a much more friendly and less harsh site. The Church of Satan is somewhat overly blunt.

Hail Satan, and Dark Blessings

This was a Satanic jasonwill2 production

www.youtube.com/jasonwill2

as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly
 4 Nick The Swing, Mon, 10th Oct '11 5:43:45 PM from Ya really wanna know? Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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Thumped for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.

 5 JHM, Mon, 10th Oct '11 6:34:35 PM from Neither Here Nor There Relationship Status: I know
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Thumped for taking troll bait. Feeding a troll. Bad idea. Don't try to fix a troll, just use the holler button. Moderators have remedies.

 6 Wheezy, Mon, 10th Oct '11 6:46:11 PM from Tampa, FL. Again.
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Thumped for taking troll bait. Feeding a troll. Bad idea. Don't try to fix a troll, just use the holler button. Moderators have remedies.

 7 jasonwill 2, Mon, 10th Oct '11 8:13:52 PM from West Virginia
didnt see what was posted but wow ill just delegate this to the satanist group on facebook then, but it seems quite dead at the moment but oh well maybe i will get a slightly objective crituqe there
as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly
 8 Wheezy, Mon, 10th Oct '11 8:31:16 PM from Tampa, FL. Again.
(That Guy You Met Once)
Edit: This post was an accident.

edited 10th Oct '11 8:31:47 PM by Wheezy

 9 JHM, Wed, 12th Oct '11 8:22:52 AM from Neither Here Nor There Relationship Status: I know
Thunder, Perfect Mind
It's a decent statement of purpose, but it's still, well, a bit preachy at points. Lessen the proselytising and you would make your point a lot better to laymen.

Also, the Luciferians were not the first Gnostic heretical sect to bear sympathy for the old Light-Bringer: According to the Yazidi—an extremely old sect usually associated with Islam but likely predating it—the angelic world-regent Malak Ta'us was cast down from heaven by the Creator as punishment for arrogance, only redeeming himself through the filling of seven holy jars with his tears. But again, that hasn't much to do with Satanism.

edited 12th Oct '11 8:29:27 AM by JHM

 10 jasonwill 2, Wed, 12th Oct '11 4:11:42 PM from West Virginia
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some Satanists think they are the first group but not all. though i didnt mean to be preachy or sound like im trying to convert.

It's actually really hard to convey the essence of Satanism while being all inclusive of the different branches. I'll do a rework then on some of the parts.
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 11 jasonwill 2, Wed, 12th Oct '11 8:32:02 PM from West Virginia
wait, where was I proselytising? I went back over it and do not see it. Was it when I gave the links? I was trying hard to be educational, can you point to the parts that came off too strong?

Sorry I'm not questioning your input, but I can't seem to see where I did that. Can you quote the specific lines so I know which ones need redone?
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 12 JHM, Thu, 13th Oct '11 10:21:13 AM from Neither Here Nor There Relationship Status: I know
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The second draft is much less so, reading it again; for its brevity, it's actually extremely informative and pretty well-phrased. The first, however, had a few too many (relatively minor) moments of, "Look how wonderful my beliefs are!" I guess that happens when one is speaking of something that one is truly passionate about, especially when faith or philosophy (usually of a marginalised or outré sort) comes into the equation; being the definition of the apathetic agnostic, I have little experience with the former (faith), but my political views (philosophy) have definitely put me on the spot before, so I know how it feels... sort of. Just try to keep things as objective as possible and you'll be good.

edited 13th Oct '11 10:22:05 AM by JHM

 13 jasonwill 2, Thu, 13th Oct '11 7:49:59 PM from West Virginia
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so your saying you read the first one and commented here not realizing i made a second, better draft?

the first draft was gone for at least two days before you posted i think
as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly
 14 jasonwill 2, Mon, 17th Oct '11 7:25:41 AM from West Virginia
uhhh,

I made a few small changes to it and made a "proto video"

can anyone tell me if this goes by too fast? i think it might and might add a second to each panel, that is how much they lost with transitions. Also as of note the actual video will be MUCH better quality, i just saved it on a low bytes per second so i could show you guys this version of it real quick... and i will probably change that song.

edit: opps, almost forgot the video, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miJxo2AV-Jo

edited 17th Oct '11 7:26:04 AM by jasonwill2

as of the 2nd of Nov. has 6 weeks for a broken collar bone to heal and types 1 handed and slowly
Yeah, you definitely need to add some more time to the frames. Maybe not a full second (99% of the time the text disappeared just when I'd finished it) but at least half of it.

(Also, I had assumed that you'd be talking in these videos. Huh.)

 16 jasonwill 2, Tue, 18th Oct '11 1:59:57 PM from West Virginia
my voice sucks tbh, and I do not have any good microphones or webcams. so no. well it all on default had a second more.

If my digital camera's lens was not all messed up I would just use that, but I have not been able to get it repaired. In future videos this may change if it is fixed.
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 17 jasonwill 2, Thu, 20th Oct '11 10:43:44 AM from West Virginia
errr

Ok I have two versions here with different audio. Can anyone tell me which one seems to fit more naturally in terms of instrumental and not just lyrics?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHbDPiLlQf0

This one above has Otep's Sacrilege. Otep's (the lead singer that is) religion is supposedly Taoism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbBJkaYcV9o

This other one here has Acheon. Acheon actually has Satanist members.

Also I might get rid of the preacher dude in the beginning, if anyone can tell me if it feels dissonant or not with him.

edit: after this I will save it in high quality, and then run it by my fellow Satanists before making it listed on youtube.

edited 20th Oct '11 10:45:15 AM by jasonwill2

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 18 jasonwill 2, Sun, 23rd Oct '11 4:55:46 AM from West Virginia
well i decided to not run it by my satanist friends, but i did just upload the video as well as in introduction video.

So it's done now!

Introduction video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi2Iu4eoyjA

First Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ichlqX1jyUk

Though I guess this was never an intresting topic in the first place really, it kind of takes up room.

guess though now that it is live, this topic could be locked if a mod would like to do so, it serves no purpose really anymore. so feel free to lock it. if someone has something else to say they can just comment on the videos on youtube.
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