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A new Mary Sue test:

Also known as Katz
[up][up]I suppose the test contains the tacit assumption that your character is humanoid, which doesn't cover all possibilities; perhaps a unicorn could be compared to a normal horse (for physical characteristics, anyway).

"Normal real-world traits" would be a more open-ended way to phrase it.

 102 chihuahua 0, Tue, 20th Sep '11 3:10:43 PM from Standoff, USA Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Writer's Welcome Wagon
[up][up] And now we know the test's reliable.

 103 Mr AHR, Tue, 20th Sep '11 3:11:48 PM from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
No. It doesn't work that way.
 104 Teraus, Tue, 20th Sep '11 3:28:25 PM from The Origin of Dreams
Awesome Lightning Mantra
[up] You said your characters score consistently high and implied that they are not Sues. Why? Are you sure you didn't mark too many options that are justified in the story?
"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."
 105 chihuahua 0, Tue, 20th Sep '11 3:31:32 PM from Standoff, USA Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Writer's Welcome Wagon
[up][up] That was supposed to be a semi-tongue-in-cheek comment, since Ebony is considered the example of a Mary Sue in certain circles.

 106 Mr AHR, Tue, 20th Sep '11 3:51:45 PM from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
Teraus: I dunno. It's not all of my characters. Only specific ones. But those specific ones will constantly score higher.
Shadowed Philosopher
Has anyone HTML-fied and Javascript-ized the test? I'm too lazy to run tests before that's been done. (I could do it, if anyone has a place to post the result.)
Shinigan (Naruto fanfic)
 108 Merlo, Tue, 20th Sep '11 5:22:35 PM from the masochist chamber
*hrrrrrk*
'Ts not that hard guys, just keep a running total on a calculator.
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am...
 109 Morven, Tue, 20th Sep '11 5:51:01 PM from Seattle, WA, USA
Nemesis
@alethiophile: I'm almost done doing so, probably have it up tonight. Will then keep it updated as the test is updated.
A brighter future for a darker age.
 110 Wolf 1066, Tue, 20th Sep '11 7:03:38 PM from New Zealand Relationship Status: In my bunk
Wolf1066
[up][up]I copied and pasted the test posts into a document then deleted the questions for which there would be no tick. That left me with only the ones that had to be scored and added up. Did the adding by section and then a grand total - which is how I noticed that I potentially had more negative points from the De-Suifiers than I did from the Sue sections.

I'm pathologically lazy (see me on here instead of working on my story or doing housework) and I found it no great stretch - but I am looking forward to seeing it in an on-line form.
Dangerously Genre Savvy since ages ago...
Also known as Katz
The original posts have been updated; major revisions are italicized. Note that the numbering in sections 2, 4, and 5 are off because I moved question 5 to the end.

 112 nrjxll, Tue, 20th Sep '11 11:04:53 PM Relationship Status: Not war
Why was Cool and Unusual Punishment added under "has your character been tortured"?

Author in waiting
I suppose the test contains the tacit assumption that your character is humanoid, which doesn't cover all possibilities; perhaps a unicorn could be compared to a normal horse (for physical characteristics, anyway).

"Normal real-world traits" would be a more open-ended way to phrase it.

But isn't that in and of itself the problem with most Mary-sue tests? Where every trait, reguardless of how much sense it makes in context, it treated as a sin against literature.
I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect.
Also known as Katz
[up]Allow me to quote you the introduction to that section:

Special characters with cool, unique traits are fun to write and read about, but too many cool traits make a character hard to believe. Remember that there is nothing bad about checking a few things in this section.

 115 Mr AHR, Wed, 21st Sep '11 10:43:03 AM from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
—checks italics—

Yeah, I'd get an even higher score if I had my characters retake it [lol]
Also known as Katz
Well, the consensus was that the De-Suifiers were too powerful, so yes, everyone will now get higher scores. The scoring has been adjusted slightly to compensate.

Personally, I'm not positive the De-Suifiers needed to be toned down. People were getting scores near or even below 0—lower than other tests, where around 20 is a more 'normal' score—but I'm not sure how that's a bad thing. (The scoring rubric might have been misleading about extremely low scores, but that's easy to change.)

 117 Wolf 1066, Wed, 21st Sep '11 1:23:35 PM from New Zealand Relationship Status: In my bunk
Wolf1066
On the modified test my character gets a -3 - "Anti-hero". I don't know if I'd call him that. He's "likeable" enough in that he gets on with people and is liked by a number of people - just not liked universally or for no good reason.
Dangerously Genre Savvy since ages ago...
 118 Teraus, Wed, 21st Sep '11 3:11:44 PM from The Origin of Dreams
Awesome Lightning Mantra
Mark scored 24, now. I was actually afraid he would score a lot more.
"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."
 119 nrjxll, Wed, 21st Sep '11 5:01:01 PM Relationship Status: Not war
Again, why is "your character has undergone Cool and Unusual Punishment" now apparently a Sue trait?

 120 Mr AHR, Wed, 21st Sep '11 5:09:51 PM from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
For the same reason torture and rape are?

It's not that one trait, that makes one a sue, you know.
Shadowed Philosopher
It should be said, again and again and again: Sue traits aren't bad. (Or at least, only a small percentage of them usually related to plot-warping effects are.) What makes something a Sue trait is that a lot of Sues use it. No judgement is intended about the quality of any of the traits.
Shinigan (Naruto fanfic)
 122 Mr AHR, Wed, 21st Sep '11 5:16:06 PM from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
For example, I do have a character that has had some odd punishments, and yeah, they are just glitz and glamour addbons, because I love my Noodle Incident s.

So, that could be argued to me that he's unnecessarily cluttered with traits like that, which COULD lead him to being all stuish.

ETC.

edited 21st Sep '11 5:16:43 PM by MrAHR

 123 Morven, Wed, 21st Sep '11 5:34:41 PM from Seattle, WA, USA
Nemesis
@njrxll: that part of the test is just counting how many "points of cool" your character has. It's OK to have some. Some settings allow more than others. Assemble too many, though, and your character starts feeling very Suey, especially if the setting isn't full of other "awesome" characters.
A brighter future for a darker age.
 124 nrjxll, Wed, 21st Sep '11 5:55:30 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up]My point is that Cool and Unusual Punishment is largely a comedy trope. Being genuinely tortured could fit in that section, but having the bad guys force you to listen to Celine Dion really should not earn any character woobie points, which is what that section was about. ("Cool" points is later on)

 125 Bobby G, Wed, 21st Sep '11 6:35:31 PM from the Silvery Tay
vigilantly taxonomish
The only character in my current project who scored higher than 10 was Danparan, who scored 19.

An old Sue of mine, Charlotte, scored 90.

I noticed something odd - fairly minor characters of fantasy species actually score higher than some more central human characters. Is this to be expected, and is this intended?
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