Dead or Alive 5

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Uh, this is the PC one, yeah?

edited 21st Feb '15 7:28:02 PM by Grounder

... Grounder... Wrong thread

Unless its a Do A Hooters rip off where you must fend of the overly Amorous Girls...-All night long-

You know... With Kasumi's Dad being made playable in the Dimesions... I'm surprised Kasumi's mom wasn't made into a playable character...

edited 21st Feb '15 7:26:52 PM by FrozenWolf2

Perhaps the implication is that Ayame is a noncombatant. It's not like every single member of a ninja village has to be a combat-type ninja, right?

Thats true

...The other question is if they seem so dead set at keeping Ein around -even though you have Hayate and Hitomi-

Why didn't they just do the clone thing... actually that be a twist, They never recovered Hayate, Hayate/Ein has been the Epsilon Clone all along.

Well, that's because Project Epsilon was all about enhancing an already powerful and skilled warrior rather than mass-cloning him/her. The project was abandoned because it failed in its intended purpose: Though the scientists' experiments succeeded in restoring Hayate's ability to move and fight back to his peak state, they were not able to actually enhance his natural abilities to any appreciable degree. That's why they moved to Project Alpha, where they'd search for the perfect specimen among the DOA tournament's competitors (probably not just on basis of ability, but also based on how "compatible" they are with the cloning/enhancement procedures), and ended up choosing Kasumi; and Project Omega, where a different sort of enhancement was implemented upon a different subject (Genra).

The problem with that is why they picked a guy that was obviously crippled and in Coma, to turn into the ultimate warrior -cause he couldn't argue duh or We just needed a ninja... He happened be the easiest one to kidnap-

I mean Genra Willingly volunteered and Kasumi did something that let you get an idea of how tough she was when she killed Raidou in the DOA 1 tourney

Yeah Hayate has been said to be on Par with Ryu but's never really lived up to it.

Hayate was to be the head of the Mugen Tenshin after his father. Kasumi was the next in line. It seemed obvious to assume that Hayate was a better warrior than Kasumi, even if may not be strictly true.

... And I still call bullshit on Genra being revealed in DOA Dimensions to have been a willing volunteer for Project Omega; everything in DOA3 pointed to it being quite the opposite.

Well they had to beat home that being Ayane is suffering... which is funny cause all the retcons do is making it seem Ayane has complex instead of being an individual who life has kicked and stomped as has legit beef with life itself.

and does ruin the emotional punch that her Do A 3 ending has

edited 22nd Feb '15 12:20:11 AM by FrozenWolf2

and In regards to that, can we say that Dimensions and 5 are in a new continuity, due to stuff like the Genra spectacle above and Eliot entering the Third Dead or Alive Tournament, even though he debuted in 4?

Elliot could be passed off as a Retcon. Not like anyone other than the official winner of each tournament (Kasumi in 1, Ryu in 2, Ayane in 3, and... whoever it was that was the winner in 4.) has any lasting impact on the storyline... well, except for the fact that any confrotations between Kasumi and her clone(s) are always canon, and Tina always gets to succeed in her current celebrity ambition.

Helena technically won 4, I guess. It's kind of unclear how the winner was decided.

I kind of want to believe that somehow Genra was corrupted by that mask he was wearing, but I don't think I really know enough details. But yeah, not a change I like.

I'm willing to believe that Hayate is as good as Ryu, it's just that he hasn't been given many opportunities. Another thing I think to keep in mind is to not let "power levels" dictate who is better than whom. If Character A beats Character B, and Character B beats Character C, this doesn't mean that Character C couldn't beat Character A.

We really don't see many cutscenes where characters show off their full potential. Ryu has an entire game franchise to show off his stuff, a franchise that has included all the female ninjas. I imagine if Hayate was included as a guest well, we'd see a lot more of what he could do, but he's limited to the gameplay balance of 1v1 hand-to-hand fights. We do get to see him show off in the cutscenes however, and at least there he seems to mostly live up to what we're told about it.

It really just kind of boils down to Hayate being the least popular ninja from the get go; he doesn't have a whole other series like Ryu, and he's not a sexy lady like his sisters. I don't like Hayate much, and I think his biggest weakness is he's a bit boring (more interesting as Ein), but I'm willing to throw the character a bone. I actually haven't played 5's story mode and don't remember much about it, so maybe my opinion will change once I do play it (as soon as my copy of LR gets here. Stupid icy roads...)

EDIT: Related to a previous paragraph; I think I mentioned this before, but it's a bit hard to grasp just how powerful the "normal" fighters are supposed to be. We know how strong the ninja are just from the Ninja Gaiden series, but I still wonder how that compares to the rest of the characters. One thing I did like about dimensions is that they seem to establish that the ninjas don't automatically wipe the floor with everyone else. Jann Lee and Hitomi are said to have done well holding their own against Ryu and Ayane respectively, and apparently Jann Lee can knock out a T-Rex with one punch. My best guess is the series runs on Charles Atlas Superpower.

edited 22nd Feb '15 8:33:37 PM by StarOutlaw

Yeah, definitely Charles Atlas Superpower involved. I mean, no matter how many impacts with fast-moving cars, or high-voltage shocks from electrified floors and/or walls, or falls from great heights, none of the characters suffer anything worse than a moment or two of disorientation.

Speaking of the ninja... Anyone else annoyed by Team Ninja's insistence that Kasumi and co.'s clan be named "Mugen Tenshin Style Ninja Clan" (霧幻天神流忍一門, Mugen Tenshin Ryu Nin Ichimon)? Who the heck names a Japanese clan by taking the entire name of their fighting style and using it as their name? That's like calling Yagyuu clan "Yagyuu Shinkage-ryu Ichimon", or "Yagyuu Shinkage Style Clan".

Cause they apparently don't want to give everybody the same last name

You know like how The Hayabusa Clan rolls

Why isn't Irene playable yet? or if they had pulled the Trigger and Made Samus playable in Dimensions.

edited 22nd Feb '15 9:37:09 AM by FrozenWolf2

Right. Like that stopped them from revealing the Armstrong duo's family name from their very first appearances. Or confirming that Helena shares her father's surname.

Maybe they couldn't come up with a good Clan name?

... It's not like your average fictional ninja clan has a weird-ass name by Japanese cultural standards, you know. Shiranui, Fuuma, Manji, Hyuga and Uchiha...

Oh its not that hard, it just does kinda come off as them not wanting to give Kasumi, Ayane and Hayate a Proper surname by avoiding giving the Clan a more standard naming convection.

Then again, the number or people with known surnames is smaller then those with them.

Any way

If we had 6 more VF guests -Since it only take 3 more to have Vanessa, Aoi and Eileen and then you'd have all the VF girls for a shenanigans sake- Who'd be the three Male characters to keep the Gender ratio 1 to 1, -Just for the sake of equals and Arguement-

Kage seems so bloody obvious cause Kage/Ryu tag team, The Other ninja interactions and He is the Winner of the Third VF tourney and is the most Prominent of Akira's rivals -I think Performance wise he has the best record among the VF crew... either making it to the finals or Semi Finals in the first 4 tournaments-

Lau Chan for Silver Fox appeal and the fact with him, Akira and Kage you'd have the three champions together.

... I should probably pick Lion or Shun Di form VF 2... since that be the only game that doesn't have a fighter from it

Aoi = VF 3 Vanessa = VF 4 Eileen= VF 5

but Damn it all... Wolf Hawkfield

Bass vs Wolf for the title!

It be like Andrea vs Hogan

Rock vs Austin

HBK vs Undertaker

The Spectacle of a Century!

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Crosspost with the DOA General thread:

Dead or Alive 5: Last Round is now on PC. Unfortunately, it seems to be a flawed port, what with the 2 new stages meant for Last Round being missing, as well as other missing features like lack of Steam Achievements, controller vibration, Steam Cloud, and even online play (though the last one will come in with a patch). Also, though performance is fine, the particle effects and "soft engine" from the PS 4 version are absent in the PC version as well.

Time will tell if Tecmo Koei will get around to filling out the rest of the features with time, but it's more likely that they'll see the reception to this port as an indication that PC players don't want DOA on PC, rather than what it should be: that they blame themselves for putting out such a below average port.

It should be noted that a lot of these things about the PC port has already been known since at least January, so the fact that Tecmo Koei didn't do a damn thing to fix it up when it was known shows just how much they *truly* care about PC.

EDIT: one more note about save files: they're attached to your Steam ID, and the game will NOT save if your ID has certain characters in it. Another possible sign that They Just Didn't Care

edited 31st Mar '15 5:03:33 PM by Nettacki

I downloaded it last night, it really is a poor port. On the bright side, free Halloween DLC. Mods might fix the graphical issue, I've already seen several produced to improve graphics.

I am hoping the online brings Steam achievements with it when it drops. I doubt we'll get the new stages at all, unless they're released as DLC.

Also I legitimately have trouble seeing the difference between PS3 and PS4 graphics. It's still poor not to include it for the PC release, but I feel mods will end up outstripping the PS4 in the end.

edited 31st Mar '15 7:33:02 PM by Saiga

To their credit, the game page on Steam was upfront about the stuff in the PC version, so we can at least commend them for being honest.

Downloaded it on PC. Since my PC isn't as good as I thought it was, I have to run it on the lowest settings (no shadows or AA). It mostly rubs at 60fps with some slowdown when there's a lot of stuff on screen. So, it's mostly fine by my standards, but I'll probably still mainly play on PS 4. I'll use the PC version for mods.

Weren't those user reviews?

No. They were on the Steam FAQ page.