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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#1: Sep 11th 2011 at 9:26:07 AM

So from what I gather from this its Intellectuals supporting a evil country or movement because they view it better?

The title is completely out in left field with only 11 wicks.

EDIT: actually it seems to be a book title, but the title uses the English translation Treason of the Intellectuals which is a redirect.

edited 11th Sep '11 9:52:13 AM by Raso

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#2: Sep 11th 2011 at 11:19:24 AM

...I've never heard the term, personally, even in English, but I'll vote to swap it with the redirect because that's opaque and, if it's a pre-existing term, it's probably not a popular one.

Unless someone will correct me...

Anyhow, let's see... I might take a rewrite crack at it.

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Jordan Azor Ahai from Westeros Since: Jan, 2001
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#3: Sep 11th 2011 at 11:46:33 AM

Pretty sure I created this and probably launched it to soon. I pretty forgot about the trope until seeing this and it hasn't really gotten much use, and I see it has a rather long (and somewhat flamey) real life examples section. Honestly, it could probably be cut.

edited 11th Sep '11 11:48:08 AM by Jordan

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#4: Sep 11th 2011 at 11:52:04 AM

It doesnt need to be cut, its got plenty of examples but its title is dragging it down. Its in french and an obscure book title (which from my googlefu the English version uses the English title) naming tropes after works is looked down on a bit too.

An Intellectual Supported Dictatorship or something to that effect to where the smart guy realizes that democracy doesn't work and such so decides to help or be the bad guy is a good trope. it just needs to tell that better and get known.

edited 11th Sep '11 11:52:36 AM by Raso

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#5: Sep 11th 2011 at 12:21:12 PM

[up]Good name; gets my support. I'll see if I can whip up a slightly better description if I get a little time, unless someone else steps up to the plate.

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#6: Sep 11th 2011 at 12:23:34 PM

This one is legitimately in French and the description needs some serious polishing. I do like Raso's proposed title. I'll make up a rename crowner for us.

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Citizen Since: Jan, 2001
#7: Sep 11th 2011 at 12:41:09 PM

"Intellectual Supported Dictatorship" is a poor fit for the examples. Trahison Des Clercs is even worse, but that's beside the point.

edited 11th Sep '11 12:43:04 PM by Citizen

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#8: Sep 11th 2011 at 12:49:17 PM

I think Treason of the Intellectuals works fine, personally...

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Jordan Azor Ahai from Westeros Since: Jan, 2001
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#9: Sep 11th 2011 at 1:00:22 PM

I kind of like the Intellectually Supported Dictatorship suggestion, and maybe the rewrite could like mention that this concept was titled Traichon Des Clercs in such and such book.

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#10: Sep 11th 2011 at 1:22:22 PM

[up]I'm pretty sure the Gratuitous French is the term used in academia.

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#11: Sep 11th 2011 at 1:31:35 PM

[up][up]It would be in the examples list.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#12: Sep 11th 2011 at 8:47:57 PM

Rename it and give it another run through YKTTW (then launch it again).

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LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
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#13: Sep 21st 2011 at 5:50:25 PM

Given the support for a rename, there is now an alternative titles crowner for this trope here. Feel free to add names as you see fit.

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#14: Sep 21st 2011 at 8:25:59 PM

Hooked new crowner.

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#15: Sep 21st 2011 at 8:32:48 PM

On the treason name I am really not a fan of using the exact title of a book as a trope name (even though that's what it was before too.) I would prefer maybe a slightly different wording to separate it from the book although nothing comes to mind personally.

Edit: Betrayal?

edited 21st Sep '11 9:43:13 PM by Raso

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#16: Sep 21st 2011 at 11:06:33 PM

I'm also not a fan of Treason of the Intellectuals, but mostly because I think it misses a large part of the trope. There's more than one way to be treasonous besides supporting a dictator, and it gives no information about it, just that the intellectuals are the ones doing it.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#17: Oct 3rd 2011 at 8:10:35 PM

Calling for Intellectually Supported Tyranny.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#18: Oct 3rd 2011 at 8:28:33 PM

Started move. For whatever reason Blackford Oakes and Blackford Oakes Series are separate pages that need to be merged.

Edit: fuckin' silent e's.

Also, I simply deleted the Laconic, it was simply inaccurate from what I could tell.

edited 3rd Oct '11 8:29:59 PM by Deboss

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#19: Oct 3rd 2011 at 8:38:59 PM

Wiks moved, note sent. The new page needs a rewrite and cross wiking while we're at it. I blanked the laconic.

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AlternativeTitles: TrahisonDesClercs
21st Sep '11 5:47:36 PM

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