What if the real life villians of the world were supervillians?

I know you have read about people who could count as big bads or even crossing it complete monsters in history or present day.What if the big bads were like those of the comics supervillians.What would they be like?

They would be like comic book supervillains. Look up the associated tropes if you want more detail.

edited 10th Sep '11 4:31:51 PM by Tongpu

They aren't? Kim Il-jung and Muammar Gadhaffi have built enormous underground bunkers and hired elite bodyguard squads. The only difference is that instead of getting overthrown by lone heroes, the supervillains either die in comfort or are overthrown by military action.

Though I'm holding out to see if a single guy with the ability to regenerate wounds as long as he hides behind cover for long enough can take down Kim.

We could more easily take them down by exploiting the various errors of super villains.

Until they read the Evil Overlord List, at which point all hope would be lost.

I for one welcome our new fascist overlords!

I tend to see folks like Kim Il-jung or Gadhaffi (and on a more personal level for me, Osama Bin Ladin) being more similar to James Bond villains than comic book supervillains, but some versions of Lex Luthor, etc., are that way too.

But if they had superpowers as well, I'd hope we had a few supers on our side. Then again, I'm not sure I'd bet on Batman if he went one on one with Seal Team 6.

I'm not in favor of calling anyone a "villain," as IMO using a term applying to fiction trivializes reality.

Depends on who you consider a villain: Kim Jong Il is pretty cartoony already.

Considering all the crazy heavy shit going on this year (I swear the Mayans got the date off by a digit), a little trivialization might be a good way to cool the tension...

"I know you have read about people who could count as big bads or even crossing it complete monsters in history or present day."

I haven't, and neither have you. Reality's shades of gray preclude the possibility of these tropes occurring.

Everyone is a villain to someone else. Perspective is everything; there are no objective villains, though.

DAMMIT!

Tropetown, you ninja'd what I was going to say.

Yes, "villain" is a subjective. Would the pro-choice and pro-life sides both be villains? Because they both are, probably, for most people on either side of the issue. Same for everything else in the world.

What would it be like? Well, we'd all be villains.

What I meant is people that a lot of people could agree on are evil;hitler,osama bin ladin,and Charlie Sheen.

Lol, Charlie Sheen?

^^ We don't think yall are villains. Just misinformed, inordinately selfish, and the kind of idealistic gotten when you refuse to see the realistic results of your credo.

edited 10th Sep '11 8:29:23 PM by kashchei

Charlie Sheen just knows that there is No Such Thing as Bad Publicity.

Hitler isn't evil if you're a white supremacist. Once again, there are no objective villains. Not even Hitler.

Bleh, meh, and I'll probably have to give you the last one.

edited 10th Sep '11 8:31:09 PM by USAF713

Charlie Sheen is the harmless villian who is a pathetic joke and can be counted as a villian protaganist.

Hitler I would say is a borderline complete monster as well as Osama Bin Ladin.

I could see them somewhere on the supervillian categories as Red Skull and Cobra.

edited 10th Sep '11 8:31:37 PM by joyflower

Osama Bin Laden is a villain to us here in the West; to millions of people in the Middle East, however, he's a hero. Hitler, too, is a villain to us, but he's a hero to Neo-Nazis. Charlie Sheen is a ball of fun, and is a hero to me.

edited 10th Sep '11 8:32:45 PM by tropetown

Being a protagonist is not reflective of one's morality, but of one's relation to the story. Another good reason to stop employing tropes to describe real life.

You have heard of villian with good publicaty because many villians in fiction have that and there are plenty enough evil.Just because you have good publicity doesn't mean you aren't evil or even a villian.

I know real life is complicated and so are the evil people in the world.But you have to admit some of those actions cross over into villian territory and makes them deseve labels as villians.

edited 10th Sep '11 8:35:59 PM by joyflower

There are, however, no objective villains. Moral perception is highly subjective; it just tends to follow certain objective (though not necessarily set in stone) rules that are dependent on perspective.

Life Imitates Art just as much as Art Imitates Life.

You can use tropes to describe real life. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you, because every trope is YMMV in real life.

I will use the pro-choice/pro-life example again. Both sides would be Utopia Justifies the Means Well Intentioned Extremists to one-another, I should think. But is either one more right? Not particularly. Morality is subjective, and therefore so are heroes and villains.

Let me present you with a quote: Every way of a man is right in his own eyes. What is evil is a matter of perspective.

Such is why I like moral relativism...

Then if morality is all subjective then why do we have laws,why do we hate it when people lie,and why do you hate it when people kill someone for no good reason other than because it was fun.

I think people have different values but morality is one thing that needs to be carefully taken cared of.Because I believe there is evil in the world because people have the capablity to do good but ignore in favor of their own sins.That's why I believe there is evil in the world because if there wasn't any evil then there would be no need for justice or laws.

Because when enough people agree on a certain morality, it becomes what is right.

When they start to disagree with it, it is invalidated and becomes wrong.

There is no right and wrong. Only what the majority decides to enforce.