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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#1: Sep 7th 2011 at 5:31:20 PM

Guess The Trope, anyone? Not only do I have no idea what the name means, I'm having trouble even parsing it. "The key of lock" is not a proper term, and rather than "songs in the key of C" the wording people actually use is "songs in C-major". Apparently this is a Snow Clone of "Songs in the Key of Life", an album released thirty-five years ago, that has zero relationship to the trope.

Also, this is not a healthy trope at all: it gets 36 wicks, 22 inbounds. Unsurprisingly, it's also not an established term, getting about a dozen google hits total.

Methinks it's time for a rename.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#2: Sep 7th 2011 at 5:35:06 PM

[up] It's not a very common trope which is why it has such a low wik count. It's songs being used as a lock. It's pretty much Exactly What It Says on the Tin.

edited 7th Sep '11 5:35:41 PM by shimaspawn

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#3: Sep 7th 2011 at 5:41:35 PM

[up] More like "Music That Opens Something"; many of the examples don't involve keys or songs (in that a four-note sequence is really not a song).

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#4: Sep 7th 2011 at 5:47:58 PM

There's no minimum length on songs to my knowledge. And the song is the key to unlocking whatever is opened. So yes, it's always key and lock. If it's not locked then it's not this trope.

It's not just about music opening something. It doesn't even have to actually open the object as long as it unlocks it.

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
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#5: Sep 7th 2011 at 5:51:10 PM

@shimaspawn

Actually, this is a fairly common trope in video games, at least. It's definitely one of the Stock Puzzles in the Adventure Game genre (and I see that index agrees with me). I would joke occasionally to my (former) roommate with perfect pitch that I kept him around just to solve musical puzzles for me.

And the example list looks pretty long too; looks like at least a round of cross-wicking is in order. (In fact, I can think of a video game to add it to now that I know about it.)

I feel like the bizarre title might actually well be more of the problem here. Maybe just something like Musical Lock?

edited 7th Sep '11 5:54:34 PM by Jeysie

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#6: Sep 7th 2011 at 6:02:49 PM

Support a re-name. Musical Lock And Key?

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#7: Sep 7th 2011 at 6:04:54 PM

[up][up] Musical Lock implies that something is locked with music. Not that it's unlocked with music. I'd suggest Musical Key but the issues with that are obvious.

Musical Lock And Key is better, but not great.

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
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#8: Sep 7th 2011 at 6:08:48 PM

Musical Unlock(ing)?

Or maybe Musical Lockpicking, if we want to be cutesy.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#9: Sep 7th 2011 at 6:11:10 PM

Musical Lockpicking isn't bad.

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Auxdarastrix Since: May, 2010
#10: Sep 7th 2011 at 6:14:06 PM

Lockpicking implies opening a lock in a way other than what it was designed to be opened. Presumably most of these examples were designed to be openened with music.

My vote for Musical Lock And Key, as it covers the most options.

Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#11: Sep 7th 2011 at 6:18:05 PM

I like Musical Lock And Key.

Just to throw some alternatives out - Sonic Lock; Melodical Lock And Key; Unlocked By Sound.

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
Diva of Virtual Death
#12: Sep 7th 2011 at 6:21:03 PM

[up][up] A lot of the time this trope involves the main character trying to guess the correct tune somehow to open a door they're not supposed to, so it is still lockpicking in a sense. (And Musical Cracking/Hacking just sounds... odd.)

Still, Musical Lock And Key is nicely to the point, if a little bland.

edited 7th Sep '11 6:21:34 PM by Jeysie

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savage Nice Hat from an underground bunker Since: Jan, 2001
#13: Sep 8th 2011 at 11:18:53 AM

I guessed it immediately. It may not be a -widespread- trope, but it's been used in several very prominent series: Myst and The Legend Of Zelda both have used it multiple times. In general, videogames seem to like this one.

By the way, it's not a 'snowclone', really. The pun on 'key' is pretty evident, since it relates music to security: Song->Key->Lock. I don't think it's a huge leap of logic to look at that and think 'music is used to unlock something'.

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
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#14: Sep 8th 2011 at 11:20:45 AM

For me it's less that the trope is impossible to figure out once you see it and more that it's hard to think of to find it in the first place. If I was searching for a musical lock puzzle trope, I really wouldn't think of this name.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#15: Sep 8th 2011 at 11:29:53 AM

[up][up] Just because you can figure it out doesn't mean it's not a Snow Clone. It's pretty clearly a Snow Clone from that old song title, with the words replaced to something related to the trope.

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SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up Since: Jan, 2010
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#16: Sep 8th 2011 at 11:33:38 AM

Technically this title is a snowclone, however it's not of the bad ones. It's pretty clear, it's witty, it uses adequate words to scope the event that it's referring to, and it's Exactly What It Says on the Tin.

I'd welcome searchable redirects if people want — in particular, Musical Unlocking or something similar — but I don't see the need for a rename. The more considering that for some reason, when a trope is renamed, all the internal wicks are substituted for the new name, thus losing the interesting one from TV Tropes usage, but I digress.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#17: Sep 8th 2011 at 12:44:38 PM

How about Songs In The Key Of Open? Custom Display it as "Songs In The Key Of "Open"."

edited 8th Sep '11 12:45:04 PM by Madrugada

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#18: Sep 8th 2011 at 12:53:52 PM

[up] Opening isn't required by the trope. If something is unlocked, but doesn't open and has to be opened manually, it's still this trope. The trope does requires unlocking though.

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SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up Since: Jan, 2010
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#19: Sep 8th 2011 at 1:39:36 PM

To be fair, Madrugada's suggestion is also more immediately understandable compared to the current one. You sing the song and that does something that, in the very least, enables opening the door/whatever. That you still have to eg.: push the door open because it's too heavy is not a limitant for the trope.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#20: Sep 8th 2011 at 1:48:50 PM

That's why I suggested the custom display.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#21: Sep 8th 2011 at 5:02:37 PM

<winces as she types> Open Sings a Key. Horrible, horrible play on "open sesame". </wincing> Yup, you can all kick me now.

LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
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#23: Sep 9th 2011 at 2:00:10 PM

There is now a single proposition rename crowner for this trope here.

Musical Unlocking is also now a redirect.

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#24: Sep 9th 2011 at 3:45:15 PM

The name doesn't seem that bad to me. The double-meaning seems fairly obvious and mildly amusing, and, as Shima said, the trope itself is not that common, so I'm not convinced about underuse. I would support redirect farming if this doesn't get renamed, though.

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ChaoticNovelist Since: Jun, 2010
#25: Sep 9th 2011 at 4:39:04 PM

Redirect farming is what we need. I haven't seen any missue, so redirects can help with the searchablity.

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