It needs a better name: Women Are Wiser

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It doesn't really reference that it's about WOMEN being closer to earth, I know we can all figure it out but it would still be good to have a title that explains it all.
Maybe so. I noticed it's used wrong a lot (I myself am guilty), mainly because it seems like a supertrope to "minorites helping the White Male Lead."
3 Deboss6th Sep 2011 11:51:43 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Support. I think adding "Women Are" to the front would solve this problem.
So how do you change the title?

We would have to come to a consensus. I wanna keep this as the supertrope though.
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I don't like this name at all.
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7 Deboss7th Sep 2011 07:17:46 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Agree with Mega J. We should have a list of the other characters types that get stereotyped as being Closer to Earth.
That's going to be mainly Magical Negro, Magical Queer, Magical Native American, the new trope if this changed (Magical Female? Women Are Wiser?), and a few others.
9 USAF7137th Sep 2011 07:52:16 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
I would support it being Women Are Closer To Earth...

Edit: fixed tag.

edited 7th Sep '11 7:53:36 PM by USAF713

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10 Deboss7th Sep 2011 07:58:43 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I'd really like to wait for word of Mod before doing anything. Last time this was suggested, Eddie got really bent out of shape for some reason.
If we're going to change it (which I would support, given that Closer to Earth implies something much broader than "women have more common sense than men"), I'd swap it with the Women Are Wiser redirect.
I really doubt 11 posts and one day is enough for us to declare consensus and go rename this.

I'll attach a crowner. Knock yourselves out.
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Supporting a swap with Women Are Wiser.
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I support the rename. I've seen this trope misused to mean one character is smarter than another, regardless of gender.
[up] I'd like to see the missue before I vote up
Another vote for a wick check first. I think this could use a rename, but let's look at the stats.
17 Xtifr8th Sep 2011 11:31:26 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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"Found in 700 articles". Yes, I think a wick check is nearly mandatory here before we start discussing a rename. Though I agree that the name seems to have a lot of potential for misuse.
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18 LouieW9th Sep 2011 02:42:51 PM from Babycowland
I took a look at the first 40 wicks and the following is what I found.

Correct: uses as women are more sensible/wiser than men (22)
  • Archie Comics' Sonic The Hedgehog
  • Barney's Version
  • Commedia dell'Arte
  • Everything's Wetter With Otters
  • F@nb0y$
  • Foucault's Pendulum
  • Grey's Anatomy
  • I'll Pretend I Didn't Hear That
  • Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide
  • Reno 911!
  • Sally Forth (Howard)
  • Spartacus: Blood and Sand
  • Tess of the D'Urbervilles
  • Abuse Is Okay When It Is Female On Male
  • Laconic/Abuse Is Okay When It Is Female On Male
  • Acceptable Ethnic Targets
  • Characters/Adventures Of The Galaxy Rangers
  • Playing With/A Fool And His New Money Are Soon Parted
  • All In The Family
  • All Men Are Perverts
  • Playing With/Ambulance Cut
  • Characters/American Dad

Probably correct/related tropes: not much context for examples (4)
  • Les Lumières de l'Amalou
  • National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation
  • Star Trek: New Frontier
  • Clarke's Law For Girls' Toys

Misuse as either a character trait independent of gender or as a male trait (7)
  • Mathematician's Answer
  • The Adventure Of Sherlock Holmes' Smarter Brother
  • A Canticle For Leibowitz
  • Acceptable Nationality Targets
  • Fanfic/Ah Aint Got No Ackcent
  • All Women Are Lustful
  • Characters/Alpha And Omega

Disambiguation pages/artifact wicks (7)
  • 6teen
  • D.N.Angel
  • Howl's Moving Castle
  • iCarly
  • Rocko's Modern Life
  • SpongeBob Square Pants
  • The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

From that sample then there appears to be 17.5% misuse if one includes the disambiguation/artifact wicks and 21.2% misuse if one does not include them. Those misuse percentages also assume that the probably correct uses are actually correct. There is obviously a possibility that that is not the case.

Feel free to check my work by the way, there were a few examples I was not so sure about.

edited 12th Sep '11 5:56:17 PM by LouieW

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Alright I think that settles it, anyone who still objects speak now or forever hold your peace. On the subject of names there is Women Are Wiser Women Are Closer To Earth or my personal favorite She Is Closer To Earth, any other suggestions.
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I've also seen this misused once as meaning that women care more about nature than men.
It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
Strongly disagree, as even if the description doesn't note it the trope is used throughout the wiki to describe men as well, just not as often.

If you're going to do this, you need to create another trope, a supertrope, to fill the gaping hole the action creates.
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22 Deboss13th Sep 2011 12:18:01 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I'm pretty sure that "Trope Transplant" was the plan from the getgo.

I think we need to swap the rename for an action crowner. what other subtropes do we want under Closer to Earth? There is Positive Discrimination and Women Are Closer To Earth maybe even something like All Homosexuals Have Perfect Relationships?
27 yeas to 7 nays (3.57:1). I'm calling this one and attaching an alt-titles crowner to see if we can come up with something better than Women Are Closer To Earth.
25 wanderlustwarrior14th Oct 2011 06:39:58 AM from Where Gods Belong , Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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It's pretty safe to say this one is decided, right?
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