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Averted HARD:

 1 Teraus, Sun, 4th Sep '11 5:59:22 PM from The Origin of Dreams
Awesome Lightning Mantra
There is nothing I hate more in this wiki than "Averted HARD". It's seriously retarded.

How can something be "averted HARD" in the first place?

Is the fact that a trope is ignored and not used something so remarkable? What's the difference between "averted HARD" and just "averted", anyway?

It's probably even worse than "BRUTALLY subverted", and I've seen it in many articles.

Cleanup?

edited 4th Sep '11 5:59:48 PM by Teraus

"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."
Go for it. Brutally subverted at least makes sense; if a subversion of a trope has disastrous consequences, it can be a brutal subversion. "Averted hard" just sounds like a Defied Trope to me.

 3 Ookamikun, Sun, 4th Sep '11 6:19:09 PM from the lupine den
Wolves, wolves, wolves!
Hell, what is the point of listing a trope if it's averted anyway?
Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
Most of the listed aversions are really just subversions; the original posters don't understand what they're doing, so they describe it in a way that makes it a clear subversion of the trope, not a full aversion, which wouldn't merit a listing at all.

edited 4th Sep '11 6:22:32 PM by tropetown

 5 Teraus, Sun, 4th Sep '11 6:27:45 PM from The Origin of Dreams
Awesome Lightning Mantra
I don't have time to edit things today, but I'll get rid of as many as possible tomorrow.
"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."
[up][up][up] It's only worth listing averted tropes if you would expect it to exist in the first place. For example, if space is correctly portrayed, it would be an aversion of Space Is Cold (as well as a couple other tropes).
 7 nrjxll, Sun, 4th Sep '11 9:00:57 PM Relationship Status: Not war
I think this ought to be a special efforts thread.

 8 Madrugada, Sun, 4th Sep '11 11:11:47 PM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
Moved to Special Efforts.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 9 Ookamikun, Mon, 5th Sep '11 12:26:08 AM from the lupine den
Wolves, wolves, wolves!
[up][up][up]Isn't that subversion though?
Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
 10 peccantis, Mon, 5th Sep '11 3:28:41 AM Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
the flies will find you
No. If the work does nothing to set the trope up and all expections are due to the work's author or genre or something like that, then it's an aversion.

Aversions are perfectly listable whenever the trope really was expected, mostly when a work ignores the strongest trends of its time or its genre.

Which brings to mind, what should it be called if tomorrow, a book was published that was written in the lengthy, flowery style of Justine, the Hardships of a Virtuous Maiden (tjsp) and Don Quixote, in all seriousness? Trope-wise?

edited 5th Sep '11 3:31:45 AM by peccantis

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 11 Triple Elation, Mon, 5th Sep '11 6:40:39 AM from Haifa, Isarel
Diagonalizing The Matrix
A Discredited Trope Played Straight.
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 12 Teraus, Mon, 5th Sep '11 7:11:40 AM from The Origin of Dreams
Awesome Lightning Mantra
Maybe a HARD aversion is actually an inversion?

[down] I know that. I'm pretty sure I saw some "averted HARD"s that could be considered inversions, though.

edited 5th Sep '11 7:04:36 PM by Teraus

"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."
Dragon Writer
No, an inversion means the trope occurs in reversed form.
 14 shimaspawn, Mon, 5th Sep '11 8:15:09 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
From what I can see from looking at instances, it seems to be "Haha, my favourite series didn't use this trite trope because Tropes Are Bad."
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 15 Madrugada, Mon, 5th Sep '11 8:50:47 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
^ This. That's all "Averted HARD!" means.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 16 32 Footsteps, Mon, 5th Sep '11 9:12:34 AM from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
The 11th Grover
I've seen one other way that I've seen it used - this trope was averted in such a way that it was brutal for the characters that would have benefited had this trope been in place.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
 17 The One Who Tropes, Mon, 5th Sep '11 3:56:05 PM from Leigh, Lancashire, England (Viertes Reich) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
I like this webcomic.
[up]Could that be "this show attacked my favourite character, or benefited the character I loathe?"
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 18 Ookamikun, Mon, 5th Sep '11 5:53:19 PM from the lupine den
Wolves, wolves, wolves!
Aversions are perfectly listable whenever the trope really was expected, mostly when a work ignores the strongest trends of its time or its genre.

See, this part is the problem. If it is expected but then doesn't happen, it's more of a subversion. Aversion just really means it doesn't happen period.
Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
 19 Teraus, Mon, 5th Sep '11 7:06:00 PM from The Origin of Dreams
Awesome Lightning Mantra
[up] Actually, a subversion occurs when there is a setup for a trope, and then the trope doesn't occur. The work intentionally makes you expect the trope. It's not the same as a trope being expected just because it's often used in a genre.

edited 5th Sep '11 7:08:33 PM by Teraus

"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."
I don't think it's a subversion if the only expectation comes from the usual expectations of a piece when it was published; for example, The Cold Equations never sets up an Asspull Happy Ending - the fact that such was expected of a Science Fiction story of the time(and subverting that expectation being its raison d'etre) doesn't actually mean it subverts the trope.
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 21 Teraus, Mon, 5th Sep '11 7:17:25 PM from The Origin of Dreams
Awesome Lightning Mantra
Cleaned a few more.

Maybe there should be an explanation like this: an aversion is an absolute notion, not subject to gradation. The trope either happens or doesn't. Averted "hard" implies that something can be averted "soft", and that wouldn't really be an aversion at all. Similarly, there is no such thing as a "partially" subverted trope.

edited 5th Sep '11 7:28:35 PM by Teraus

"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."
 22 Ookamikun, Mon, 5th Sep '11 7:19:00 PM from the lupine den
Wolves, wolves, wolves!
[up][up]I'm simply arguing on why the need to list something averted though. Or is simply "it didn't happen" enough justification for averted tropes to be listed?

Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
 23 Teraus, Mon, 5th Sep '11 7:21:05 PM from The Origin of Dreams
Awesome Lightning Mantra
Actually, it seems completely unnecessary to list aversions, unless it's some sort of universal trope, in which the aversions are the exception.

edited 5th Sep '11 7:22:06 PM by Teraus

"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."
 24 32 Footsteps, Tue, 6th Sep '11 7:45:10 AM from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
The 11th Grover
@16 No, since this is distinct from that, which others have mentioned already. I just mean that it's indicating that the consequences were brutal, likely deadly, for the character (liked or not) because the aversion happened.

I think that's still misuse ("tragically" might be a more apt adverb), but it's distinct from what others have mentioned.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
 25 Fighteer, Tue, 6th Sep '11 8:28:08 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
99 percent of those adverbial modifiers on playing with types are Word Cruft and can be deleted on sight.
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