How seriously are coyotes taken in comparison to other wild dogs?: Those Wily Coyotes

I created this YKTTW before I realized that we already had a trope about coyotes; at the time, I'd also gotten the impression from the... less than vast sample I had seen of coyote portrayal in entertainment, that coyotes weren't taken as seriously as foxes and wolves were. As far as works not based in the native-American notion of coyotes go, is there much validity to that assumption of mine? (I know I hadn't even heard of the native-American notion of coyotes before making my YKTTW; well, I'd seen the Simpsons episode featuring one, but don't recall realizing that he was a coyote. I thought he was a domestic dog of some kind.)

Coyotes are native to North America, so the Native American and Old West Trickster Achretype associations are the ones that have stuck. I think what you've tried to YKTTW is the Fool aspect of it and I don't think "Taken Seriously" or not adds anything to it.

So coyotes like Wile E. Coyote and Antoine D'Coolette are based on the "fool" aspect of Native American mythology of it?

edited 4th Sep '11 6:13:58 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

Bump...

Pretty much, but I'm having trouble coming up with any examples that involve only the Fool aspect without also including the Trickster/prankster/wiliness aspect. Even Wile E is more of a trickster/plotter than a simple fool. It's just that his plans always go awry even though they should work; they don't work because the laws of nature violate themselves just to spite him.

edited 6th Sep '11 8:31:42 AM by Madrugada

The example I had turned out to be a moose not a coyote.

What do you mean, the example you had? I checked my YKTTW before discarding it and didn't see a reply from you.

Hidden Faced Matt,

I think your YKTTW can fit within Those Wily Coyotes' current description under the "fool" trait that Elle and Madrugada mentioned. I am not sure that there are really enough examples of your YKTTW to justify it being a trope by itself. Still, you might want to add a bit more to Those Wily Coyotes to mention how the "fool" part of their characterization can be played for laughs.

edited 8th Nov '11 12:59:42 PM by LouieW

We done here then?

There is not much to my YKTTW description, though. I will probably just add a reworded version of the first paragraph of my YKTTW to the trope page; the second paragraph of my YKTTW is probably not of the ideal tone for an article for a trope like this one.

EDITED IN: How's that? (See the edit history.)

edited 8th Nov '11 3:25:25 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

Looks done to me; locking.