This page shouldn't be subjective: Ultimate Showdown Of Ultimate Destiny get usage counts

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1 IndirectActiveTransport3rd Sep 2011 06:27:47 PM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Metalworking mage
Look at the page and tell me it's a subjective trope. Go ahead, Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny. Almost every single example is an objective occurrence.
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
2 Madrugada3rd Sep 2011 06:28:59 PM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
The only thing objective are the TV shows based on the concept. Everything else is fanwankery.

edited 3rd Sep '11 6:31:07 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
3 IndirectActiveTransport3rd Sep 2011 06:30:15 PM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Metalworking mage
[up]I see what you did there.

edited 4th Sep '11 7:59:32 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
4 nrjxll3rd Sep 2011 06:35:38 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
I don't understand what you're saying, but it reminds me of something I've said about Character Alignment - if we only allow In-Universe examples, then the trope should also be objective, even if it would be subjective without those limits.
5 IndirectActiveTransport3rd Sep 2011 06:38:42 PM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Metalworking mage
From the page itself.

Four TV series have been based on this concept so far.
  • MTV's Celebrity Deathmatch is a claymation version of Exactly What It Says on the Tin. Matches have included David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson vs. Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith; Bono vs. Fabio vs. Yoko Ono; Bette Midler vs. Cher; and Adam West vs. Christian Bale.
  • Spike Tv's Deadliest Warrior, which explores "history's greatest killing machines", look at their historic backgrounds and the science behind their equipment and fighting styles, and pair them off in a one-on-one computer simulated fight. Showdowns include "Gladiator vs. Apache", "Ninja vs. Spartan", "Taliban vs. IRA", "Yakuza vs. Mafia", and "William Wallace vs. Shaka Zulu".
  • History Channel's Jurassic Fight Club, similar to Deadliest Warrior in that it uses best available knowledge to establish the abilities, strengths, and weaknesses of the animals, then CGIs the actual fights. Match-ups include Allosaurus vs. Ceratosaurus; Mega-Lion vs. the Short-Faced Bear; and Megalodon vs. Brygmophyseter, the "biting sperm whale".
  • Animal Planet had a short lived series Animal Face Off

The concept has also been used in:
  • Harry Hill's TV Burp: "Well, I like X, but then I also like Y. But which is better?" [Costumed/made-up/bewigged representations/impersonators of X and Y crash into studio from opposite directions and make a beeline for each other] "FIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!"
  • Will It Blend?: Anything, at all, versus a Blend-Tec blender.
  • Anachronism: A card game that lets you pit various historical (or somewhat historical, like Robin Hood) characters against each other. For more fun, trade the character's goodies around — give Achilles Beowulf's chain mail and Miyamoto's katana.
  • Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus.
  • Scribblenauts, which allows for a nearly infinite number of these. Bigfoot versus Longcat, God + Shotgun + Skateboard versus Cthulhu, T. Rex versus Robot Zombies... The fourth video found here takes this to absurd lengths.
  • The web site WWWF Grudge Match.
  • the Race Of Champions (ROC), an annual event which involves taking the best racing drivers from their repsective fields and different nationalities, putting two of them into 100% indentical cars and having them race head to head on a very short twisty track for 2 laps.
  • The Spoony Experiment had Deadliest Character, a direct take-off of the aforementioned Deadliest Warrior, featuring the Megazord vs. MechaGodzilla. Megazord wins by summoning The Sixth Ranger and tearing mechagodzilla apart.
  • Tales from the Pit exposes "Who Would Win" as a favorite conversational topic of the Magic: The Gathering R&D team. Pairings include Robocop vs. The Terminator and My Little Pony vs. the Transformers.
  • The children's book "Shark vs. Train", which takes the more common sense approach, with hilarious results (it matters, for instance, whether the competition is under water, or involves trying to sell lemonade.)

This is how it works.

  • Programs based around the trope.
    • Examples.
  • Matches that happen a lot
    • Examples
  • When characters talk about it in works otherwise not about this
    • Examples

Objective trope.
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
We should split this between the fanwankery stuff and everything else. And redirect the main page to Music.Ultimate Showdown Of Ultimate Destiny.
7 Madrugada3rd Sep 2011 08:09:58 PM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
You didn't mention the bottom half of the page: 380 lines (as the softwar3 counts them — that means, "Sections ending in a hard line return", or "entries" in other words.) of nothing but listed-off pairings, some with attached natter, other surprisingly clean of it. But no requirement that the pairing actually have been used in media.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
8 IndirectActiveTransport3rd Sep 2011 08:28:31 PM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Metalworking mage
That doesn't make it a subjective trope. When it has to be moved to the "Your Mileage May Vary" on Celebrity Deathmatch even though every matchup is an objective example that is a problem.

Really any inter continuity fight is an example of this, hypothetical or otherwise is still an objective example even though most of those listed do talk of places where it happened. Sure it doesn't say where Godzilla vs Cthulu happened but I could show you where if you want.(there's more).

This policy of just slapping "your mileage may vary" on any potential problem page has become the new "Darth Wiki move and ignore". This is a clear example.
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
9 NativeJovian3rd Sep 2011 09:10:57 PM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
I think we can make this objective if we strip out all the random "X vs Y" entries that don't actually have a work associated with them. Something like "Discussed fairly often on The Big Bang Theory" is a legitimate objective example, while "Voldemort vs Sauron" isn't really an example at all unless you can point to a work that has (or talks about) Voldemort fighting Sauron.
10 nrjxll3rd Sep 2011 09:21:01 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Exactly. Ban all the fan-wankery stuff, and what's left are objective examples - and if objective examples are the only kind, then it should be an objective trope.
11 IndirectActiveTransport4th Sep 2011 08:00:58 AM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Metalworking mage
Fine, all in favor of removing the unsighted examples and moving the trope out of the subjective bin cause it works for me.
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
12 DragonQuestZ4th Sep 2011 01:19:46 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
I'm in favor.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
13 IndirectActiveTransport4th Sep 2011 10:11:46 PM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Metalworking mage
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
14 Madrugada4th Sep 2011 11:01:14 PM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Crowner hooked. Next time hit the Holler button on the post you link to the crowner in, and ask for a hook.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
That doesn't make it a subjective trope. When it has to be moved to the "Your Mileage May Vary" on Celebrity Deathmatch even though every matchup is an objective example that is a problem.

Then tag it as in-universe.

This trope's very origin is from an audience reaction. If we were to throw out all the fanwankery, we'd be effectively redefining it.
16 NativeJovian6th Sep 2011 07:07:24 AM from Orlando, Florida
Io vs Jupiter
We're allowed to redefine tropes in TRS.
17 DragonQuestZ6th Sep 2011 09:53:00 AM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
[up]Especially if the current definition is vague or causes mostly ymmv examples (the latter applying here).
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
18 Madrugada6th Sep 2011 11:06:44 AM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
The meme is pure fanwankery. Know Your Meme catalogues memes.

The trope is when the meme is deliberately used or alluded to in a work. We do tropes.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
19 Cider6th Sep 2011 12:09:38 PM from Not New York , Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
This trope's very origin is from a song about characters crossing over for the purpose of fighting. That sounds like a story telling trope to me. At most it is trying to invoke an audience reaction.

My question here is what of the non fight sites? What if the characters are getting together to race(Superman vs Flash, Speedy Gonzales vs Road Runner) or otherwise compete non violently(two kid geniuses in a science fair, two hunters trying to catch the same prey)? Does any inter continuity competition count or does it have to be a fight?
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
20 DragonQuestZ6th Sep 2011 12:26:45 PM from Somewhere in California
The Other Troper
I think those would fall under a Super Trope of just any crossover competition.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
21 Madrugada6th Sep 2011 01:41:34 PM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
^^ The trope's name is from the song. The meme and the trope have both been around much longer than the song.

If we're going to define the trope to match the name, then by rights, all examples that are only two characters or people should be removed, and only intercontinuity crossover matchups between more than three or four continuities should be allowed. One-on-ones would simply be Who Would Win.

edited 6th Sep '11 1:44:55 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Objection: The fandom examples were originaly all the page contained, the objective sections were added in/sorted out later. And IMO it's very fun to read. If this point of view gets outvoted though, I'd rather the page be split rather than the fandom examples be cut.

I mean, we let the Shipping tropes keep their examples. All's fair in love and war, right?

edited 6th Sep '11 3:47:51 PM by Elle

23 Antheia6th Sep 2011 05:00:38 PM from Uppsala, Sweden
Examples of the shipping tropes can (or should be able to) point to objective cases in Fan Fic. Can these do that? It doesn't have to be Fan Fic specifically, other categories would be fine - Web Original, Fan Vid, Web Comics ... If they can, they're objective examples too. If not, if it's just a case of "wouldn't it be awesome?!", then it sounds like a great idea for a forum thread over in Trope Talk.

edited 6th Sep '11 5:05:16 PM by Antheia

24 nrjxll6th Sep 2011 09:38:34 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
[up][up]Frankly, this sounds like an argument to cut purely fan-based examples from the Shipping tropes more then it does one to leave them here... and I believe we're already doing that in some cases.
I think a split option should be added to the crowner.

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16th Sep '11 7:48:13 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
Ultimate Showdown Of Ultimate Destiny has been restricted to In Universe examples only. Is additional action needed?

Options are not necessarily mutually exclusive. The related thread for this crowner can be found here.

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