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Should Britain, and/or the US, Adopt The Metric System?:

 1 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:05:37 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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Currently in Britain, metric (or le System Internationale) is only used for packaging and groceries.

Yet, we still have road signs in imperial. So, we're a bit of a halfway house in that respect.

AFAIK, the US has little use of metric, apart from science and engineering. (Ironic... roads built to metric, with imperial signs).

The rest of the world uses metric as a sole system, so why don't these two nations?

For example, Ireland converted fully to metric back in 2005 without so much as a peep from the populace.

We've educated our children in the ways of metric, but then they get shoved into the world of feet and inches.

I wouldn't call this dating; its just getting to know you the hard way.

 2 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:07:33 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
[up] Children in the USA are educated in both Metric and Customary (which is slightly different than British Imperial). There's really no reason to get rid of the Customary system in the US.

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Why no reason? A single system of measurement reduces trade barriers and costs.

 4 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:09:53 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
[up] There are about 200 million native French speakers all over the world. There are 300 million Americans who use the Customary system every day. There are even fewer native French Speakers than native Customary system users. Obviously we should get rid of the French language, right? It would help get rid of trade barriers, obviously.

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 5 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:10:17 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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Exactly.

And also, here's some good things:

If you ask for 2lb of potatoes, but the shopkeeper mishears you say 2 kg, you get twice as many potatoes.

And, also... 11 mm is closer than 1 in. To say "it missed him by a millimetre" sounds cooler.

[up]But there are more people using metric than imperial/customary. And more people around the world use metric. Your logic has no point.

edited 2nd Sep '11 12:10:56 PM by Inhopelessguy

I wouldn't call this dating; its just getting to know you the hard way.

So you're going to defend your measurement system as a part of your culture?

And by the way, French is the franca lingua of the world. So it's probably not going away :)

edited 2nd Sep '11 12:11:26 PM by breadloaf

 7 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:11:28 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
[up][up] More people natively speak English, but do not tell the French that!

[up] Yes.

edited 2nd Sep '11 12:12:07 PM by OhSoIntoCats

Eidolonomics: ~60.4k/100,000 words
Okay, well I'm not a cultural genocide for pragmatism kind of guy. You can learn both and then use both at once. That'll still ease your trade issues (such as cars shipped in from Europe that might only have metric, you can still use them). Then you can keep your customary system.

Although I get what you were saying with the French example, you'll probably want to use a different example because that was so... bad. Everyone is required to know French because it is the international language of communication :P

 9 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:14:16 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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Right. I understand that. But out of several hundred countries in the world, only two seem to still use imperial in common use.

Breadloaf will understand me when I say that I can lug 500 kg with my bare hands, but the chance of you doing so is minimal.

I wouldn't call this dating; its just getting to know you the hard way.

 10 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:17:08 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
1 lb is approximately 2.2kg on Earth. so 500 kg is about 1, 100 lbs.

Really it's difficult for one to mix up lbs and kgs in speech. They have a different number of syllables and use completely different sounds. If it were that easy to mix up languages just plain wouldn't work.

I remember doing a research paper on this, and one of the sources said the amount "lost" by converting customary to metric and vice versa was negligible to nonexistent due to modern computing, which is why the plan for the US to convert to metric during the 1970s failed when it did, at the advent of modern computing.

edited 2nd Sep '11 12:18:29 PM by OhSoIntoCats

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Wow you can lug 500 kg with your bare hands? Can I hire you as my slave?

But yeah, Canada is a great example. We learn three systems of measurement, because Canada is sadomasochist.

 12 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:19:57 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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We just learn two. Metric and imperial.

Guess which one I have no clue how to work?

Although, its funny when I remain stubborn about telling people measurements.

I wouldn't call this dating; its just getting to know you the hard way.

 13 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:27:33 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
In the US children generally learn customary units very early (kindergarten or 1st grade) because they're most familiar, and go on to begin learning metric in 4th or 5th grade, which generally continues into high school physics classes when one measures things like moles and amps. Americans will learn further Customary measurements in in home economics classes because of the way American recipes are written.

Because of the way the units are taught, though, most Americans have no idea what a slug or Rankine are.

Eidolonomics: ~60.4k/100,000 words
 14 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:29:14 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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And they never should. Kelvin is the universal measure for temperature.

and L/100km is the basis of fuel consumption. That's right. American cars have been built to metric specs.

I wouldn't call this dating; its just getting to know you the hard way.

 15 joeyjojo, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:32:20 PM from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Metric has not taking over day to day speech. people are still Ay foot high or a sack is said to be bah stones in weight.

[down] hell i don' even know you and it's already geting to me.

edited 2nd Sep '11 12:36:42 PM by joeyjojo

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 16 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:34:24 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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To irritate everyone I know, I am X kg and Y metres.

Because can. Also, I have at least a gram of bravado.

edited 2nd Sep '11 12:34:57 PM by Inhopelessguy

I wouldn't call this dating; its just getting to know you the hard way.

 17 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:34:36 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
[up][up][up] And are easily converted to mpg for the buyer because of the power of modern computing.

I see no problem with keeping the customary system. Most American products are printed with both units. We sell cans of Coke by fluid ounces but bottles by Liters. Completely getting rid of the customary system in this context amounts to pointless cultural destruction.

I think your confusion demonstrates the inadequacies of your education, not in the system itself (Imperial, in your case, which is slightly different than American Customary).

edited 2nd Sep '11 12:36:42 PM by OhSoIntoCats

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 18 deathjavu, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:47:17 PM from The internet, obviously
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Dual measurement systems causes confusion and waste the world round, in tools and factories everywhere. Not to mention truly silly screwups, like the now-legendary NASA fuckup, and don't tell me those people didn't have enough education.

The imperial system is simply unnecessarily confusing, and that is that. Do you know what the imperial unit of mass is, or how many kilograms that converts to?

Also, pounds is weight, which means it has to be compared to Newtons. You're all getting F's in my physics class, not being able to convert basic units.

Now the trick is, those same duplicate parts, tools, factory settings and such are the very things holding back the transition. Changing the measurements and tolerances of all those machines and devices, all the paperwork filed for surveying going back hundreds of years, and most importantly changing everyone's intuitive sense of what's long and short, what's hot and cold, what's heavy and light, etc., all takes time and money. Tons of money, actually, which is why the last US changeover was supposedly rejected.

No one in their right mind would argue that the Imperial system is easier to use. Base 10 conversions for everything is so simple one can do it in their head, but if I ask you how many inches are in 473 miles, I bet you have to bust out the calculator.

Before you say that busting out the calculator is no problem, keep in mind that a) someone has to make those calculators, and b) the calculator is only as good as what you punch in it. Not to mention complexities like Joules, which is one Newton-Meter, but something like a BTU is some extremely odd number of foot-pounds. Try working those out in metric and standard and tell me which you prefer.

Personally, I'd love to see a metric switchover. Most of my classmates seemed to agree. It just takes time.

I'm doing my part by trying to develop a sense of distance in metric, and a similar sense of weight and temperature.
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 19 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:50:15 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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[up]Exactly. Everything in metric is tied to one metre. Imperial is based on however many different things.

And I'm doing the same. My Google Maps is in km. And I mass X kg, never Y lb.

edited 2nd Sep '11 12:51:42 PM by Inhopelessguy

I wouldn't call this dating; its just getting to know you the hard way.

 20 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:50:47 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
My home city has an average of 5 days over 100 degrees fahrenheit and 2 days below 0 degrees fahrenheit. Do NOT fucking tell me that it'd be sooooo much easier to understand temperature in a range -17.78 and 37.78. Just do not.

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 21 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:53:05 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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0C is based on the freezing point of water.

100C is based on the boiling point of water.

(They're not, but for civilian purposes, they are).

That's pretty logical.

I wouldn't call this dating; its just getting to know you the hard way.

 22 Ramus, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:53:05 PM from some computer somwhere.
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It would be perfectly easy if you grew up with it. Tell me that twelve inches to a foot makes more sense than an entire system based on tens.

Look, in the field of engineering, it's pretty much metric centric already. The only reasons why the Imperial System pops up is for consumers' sake. Otherwise, it's all metric, all of the time. It'd just be easier to quit dicking around and standardize with the rest of the world.
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 23 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:55:06 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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Exactly my point.

The only place where metric isn't used in the US and UK is civilian use.

The army have objectives in metres and kliks, not yards and miles.

The hospital work me in kg and the medicine in g, not lb and oz.

Hell, the fricking supermarket sell everything in ml and kg.

Why can't the civilian world do that?

I wouldn't call this dating; its just getting to know you the hard way.

 24 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:55:39 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
We should give up English then. English is a very illogical language, especially compared to languages like, say, French (which is why it was the lingua franca for so long). Or Esperanto.

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 25 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 2nd Sep '11 12:58:08 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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But as we have stated many times, English is one of the main languages of trade.

The UN meets in English. The EU meets in English. The nations that do English-language songs in Eurovision get high votes.

edited 2nd Sep '11 12:58:30 PM by Inhopelessguy

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