Preaching to the CEOS and other corporate people

I think maybe to cure these guys of doing bad stuff maybe we should preach the gospel to them about their decisions and how it affects toher.I mean come one it could work and they could be more willingly to give money to charity and to think about their employees more.It could work.

This is a good notion.

We must also ensure a power check to make corporations more in line with democratic principles. If we can place corpations in a check on their power, then efficeincy will increase.

I wonder if Tomu would approve since he always gripes about corporate greed and stuff I have a feeling he would reject it.However,he would be happy if saw more CEO's doing things for the interest of others.Heck,I once heard the Vatican say that people should do things in the interest of others instead of just themselves.

What ever the case, ethics is something that needs to be teached to the powerful.

x4 -stifles laughter- sorry but no. Gospel is as good as a mosquito bit to them. We need hit them in the pocketbook, closes all corporate loopholes, ban corporate donation to politicians, make it mandatory for US groups to have factory's in the US so we can make sure they ain't trying to dodge anything, increase taxes on them so we can improves this shithole of a country.

edited 1st Sep '11 10:27:45 AM by vanthebaron

Yeah, I don't think preaching the gospel is gonna do very much, especially to executives who aren't Christian.

It could probably help those who are Christian and need a reminder that they will need to face up to their actions and God don't like it when you do dirty stuff for money.I mean it could be good to preach to corporate executives who call themselves Christains to really turn their lives around and do as God commands them to do.

The main way we going to get CEOS more... nicer is to make it that it be possible to police buisness laws so that we can keep the companies in line. We must not fall for the notion of letting the companies be for a company is not a person: it is a organisation of power, a nation in form of money, with monopories beings the empires. We must ensure their is a check on power, via elections for the CEO places or by allowing the nationalisation of some important industries.

-stifles laughter even more- the only god they worship is the almighty dollar. The gospel is bronze as views, they don't apply to a capitalistic country like what we have.

Then people should make them realize that God has put them in this position not just to make money but to give jobs to people as well.I also think that when they work for God first then they will realize there are more important things in life than money.Money is needed for its purpose but its the love of money that makes people evil.

The Bible does apply to life more than you think and remember Jesus changed tax collectors lives around for the better.

edited 1st Sep '11 11:04:41 AM by joyflower

We will need to consider two things: locatinf the indivual belives of the CEOS and threating to hinder their icon (money) via taxation. Of course the latter will require international co-opperation for it to be effective...

I don't know international issues are usually messy and sometimes do more harm than good.And I got a feeling that China will muddle things up in the process.I do think that more factories should be made in America and most of all I think it would be fun for businesses to make Sunday the day of rest.

edited 1st Sep '11 11:12:45 AM by joyflower

I think the Prosperity Gospel permanently mucked up any chance of using Christianity to inspire charity and generosity in the American wealthy.

x4 no they put themselves in that position by hard, buyout, or getting from family. you mean jesus helped tax collectors by beating the shit out of them in front of the trample? the bible is fiction, its good fiction, but fiction none the less in my eyes.

no work on Sunday, pardon my french, but fuck that noise. I need money and your stone age faerie tale at stopping my from paying for school

edited 1st Sep '11 11:17:18 AM by vanthebaron

I don't want the prosperity gospel I want the do the right thing gospel.I want CE Os to realize they won't always get money out of doing the right thing but find joy in bringing hapiness to others.Yeah,I might sound corny but I do not advocate the prosperity gospel because that is a load of bull.Christians are blessed because they have found God in their lives and want to have a relationship with him and not because they are financially wealthy.In Christianinity the big deal is life won't be a bed of roses for you it will be hard and tough but you need to look to God to help you in strength and decisions.

Those were merchants in the temple not tax collectors.His disciple Matthew was a tax collector who came to follow him and Zacchaeus the tax collector reformed his ways when Jesus visited his house.

edited 1st Sep '11 11:20:41 AM by joyflower

oh that is rich. you argument boils down to "Christians are good because of their religion". a lot of the most hateful people I have had the displeasure of meeting were Christians. tell me you live a sheltered life because you are just being ignorant.

ok i concede the temple bit

edited 1st Sep '11 11:21:49 AM by vanthebaron

It's not Christians are good because their faith but its they are sinners but they become saved by Jesus.Do you know what you will find the most imperfect people in Christianity because Jesus came for the sick and not the righteous.I know a lot of Christians need to start acting like it but that's kind of my point.I want CEO's who are Christian to put God before the dollar in order to think about others.

Joyflower, if they're already Christian, they're being preached at by the pastor/minister/preacher of their church already. If they aren't Christian, preaching the Gospel at them won't accomplish anything.

And preaching at people very rarely works anyway.

-thumps self before he makes this a "does god/doesn't god exist debate"-

I'm sorry but I do take morals from a book that tells us to stone unruly kids, that says its ok to keep slaves, and condones rape. so don't tell me the gospel is good because its morals are out of date.

Take the Story of David and Nathan in 2 Samuel:The prophet preached against the guy for he had killed Uriah in order to hide the fact that he impregnated his wife.David was a very religious man but even he need someone to tell him that he had sin..

I was thinking this would be for Christians CEO's who have done wrong and need to show some accountability.

The stonning rarely happened and it was for extreme cases anyway when Jesus came he lift the law because he fufilled it.The thing with Sodom was an example Lot's lack of moral character.Also slavery in the bible times was different and most of all God banned the Israelites from doing the slave trade and made them treat any alien with compassion.

edited 1st Sep '11 11:39:42 AM by joyflower

you know what i see there...MORE MURDER. the pages of that book are staid with the blood of millions. so what he preached against it, doesn't change the fact that the book condones immoral acts. we can change that book can, its stuck in the bronze age.

edited 1st Sep '11 11:38:21 AM by vanthebaron

Honestly, if these executives aren't actually serious enough in following their religion (Christianity or whatever it may be), preaching it's values to them probably isn't going to help very much

I'm not going to derail this any further because I really want to see people in the Corporate world actually realize that their actions affect others big time.I know you might talk down to me but a lot of them really need God in their lives.

My point is that because of the Prosperity Gospel, it'll never happen. Why would they subscribe to a form of Christianity that tells them they have a moral duty to give their money to the poor when they have a form of Christianity that tells them their money is a sign that they are doing everything right and are favored by God, and they can do whatever they want with it, and also that the poor are poor because they are not favored by God?

no, they don't need god, they need something physical, constraints, no loop holes for them to get out of paying taxes; laws, rules, and regulation to keep them in check. CEO's are (for the most part) greedy money grubbing bastards that will take short cut to save money, they wont fix the problem if the lawsuit cost less then the cost of fixing the problems. you give humanity too much credit.

edited 1st Sep '11 11:46:11 AM by vanthebaron