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The Driveway: COBbies talk cars:

 326 Nohbody, Sat, 31st Mar '12 7:14:48 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Deboss: F-body owners?

"F-body" is the common name for for the car platform used by GM from 1967 to 2002 in the Camaro and Trans Am/Firebird. Compare the 1979-1993 Fox platform for Mustangs, or Chrysler's K cars in The Eighties.

edited 31st Mar '12 7:15:58 AM by Nohbody

 327 Deboss, Sat, 31st Mar '12 9:04:33 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Ah.
 328 pvtnum 11, Mon, 9th Apr '12 1:31:58 PM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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But we don't talk about the K-cars. The eighties were kind of a dark time for performance cars, coming off of the nadir of performance that was the late seventies.

Quote:

"Gone were the Pontiac GTO, the Judge, the Chevy SS Chevelle, the SS Nova, the SS Camaro, RS Camaro, and the Camaro Z28. Gone were the Plymouth Road Runner, Dodge Charger, Plymouth Barracuda and the Ford Boss Mustangs. Gone were the Mach I Mustangs... The wasting sickness that was pollution and emissions controls killed such great engines as the Pontiac 400 Ram Air series motors, the Super Duty 455, the LS-1 454 big block, the LT-1 350cid small block, the 302 Boss, the 351 Cleveland, the 440 Wedge, the 426 Hemi, the Six Pack Mopar engines, the 427 Cobrajet and 428 Super Cobrajet engines, and a host of others. All around Detroit, the automotive ghosts of once great performance cars and the echoes of high performance engines lived on only in memory or in private collections."

But they bounced back. The 80's was a time of learning, of finally working out how to make power with emission controls and EFI. And now, the cars we produce today will mop the floor of the old warhorses of decades past. The new Corvette? 505 horsepower, 470 foot-pounds of torque, out of the factory, with the LS 7 engine.
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 329 Nohbody, Mon, 9th Apr '12 3:51:37 PM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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I primarily mentioned the K cars because they are (or were, of late) so ubiquitous, and that my family has owned several over the years so there was a personal contact. I certainly wasn't mentioning them for their performance. tongue

Anyway, I've always found it somewhat amusing that the car that helped lead the way back for "American muscle", in that dark period, was a Buick, in the form of the Grand National and later GNX, starting in 1984. 15.9s quarter mile for the 84 model, compared to the 17s of that year's Camaro, and 15.1s of the Corvette... in a family car. [lol]
 330 pvtnum 11, Mon, 9th Apr '12 7:24:22 PM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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I have a fondness for Buicks. The 1989 Turbo Trans Am was powered by a Buick mill, since Buick had no vehicle to toss the spare engines into, after the demise of the G-body line.

You might be driving/racing a Buick if:

Your wife's car runs 12's.

Race-prepping your car means turning the A/C off.

The phrase "231? Is that all?" makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up.

Your license plate holder says "Big is Beautiful".

Your car is nick-named "the Hoover" because it's sucked off so many bumpers.

You think 5000 pound cars and stationwagons are great dragstrip material.

You think every race car should have ac and power windows.

You've never seen the tail lights of a Mustang GT.

Your friend's 5.0 'Stang runs 13s by being towed behind your car.

edited 9th Apr '12 7:24:49 PM by pvtnum11

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 331 drunkscriblerian, Mon, 9th Apr '12 7:35:57 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
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Myself, I like the lines of the old Detroit iron; something about them has yet to be equaled. I'm glad that we've learned how to make cars with muscle again, but I've never warmed to the modern look. Silly reason to dislike a car I know, but there it is.

If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed.

~Cora M. Strayer~
 332 Nohbody, Tue, 10th Apr '12 8:34:55 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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I know what you mean, DS. The modern stuff isn't bad, per se, but their lines just don't quite do it for me like the older cars.

But, hey, at least they're not the "jellybeans on wheels" from The Nineties. tongue
 333 Morven, Wed, 11th Apr '12 9:00:06 AM from Seattle, WA, USA
Nemesis
At some point I'll have the money to get a classic 60s machine again and treat it right, dammit. I ran into too broke times to keep the Thunderbird, unfortunately — I couldn't afford to do anything good to it.

I want another, someday. Not to keep factory, but to do something nice with. Involving 460 cubic inches, thanks, and all that torque.
A brighter future for a darker age.
 334 pvtnum 11, Mon, 16th Apr '12 9:36:04 AM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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I'm also with you, DS - the new Dodge Challenger is pretty much right where it should be. I do not like the new Camaro, in comparison. The new Mustang is merely okay - at least you can recognize that it's styled after the original Mustang.

It would've been cool if Pontiac had survived so they could have brought back the Catalina.

Old car shapes with modern engineering would be great, but unfortunately, boxy cars have crap for aerodynamics, which affects almighty gas mileage at speeds over 50 miles an hour. Under that speed, aero doesn't matter a whole lot.
Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
 335 Demon Shark Kisame, Mon, 16th Apr '12 11:18:55 AM from some ghetto in North Carolina
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IMO, the early-mid 90s Camaro was the best looking one. I'm surprised GM didn't design the current one after the previous-gen one, but what can you do?

And yes, Buicks are indeed damn quick, even stuff like the 90s LeSabres can haul ass if pushed enough. Not to mention they can still haul ass even with the slab-like styling nowadays, so it's quite a feat.

And surprisingly, while I am indeed bitter at GM for killing Pontiac, I'm even more bitter that they killed Oldsmobile. Some of the best cars they had ever made were coming out, and in typical GM fashion, instead of promoting Olds more, they just decide to kill the brand. The Aurora, in particular, is a great example of a "modern" Olds, since the frame was so strong it actually broke GM's testing machine during the crush test.

(heh, look at me talking like this and I'm only 20.)

edited 16th Apr '12 12:10:16 PM by DemonSharkKisame

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 336 Nohbody, Mon, 23rd Apr '12 10:39:52 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Speaking of car designs, have the rest of you seen the upcoming Mustang?

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing personal against European styling, but Mustang is about as "Capital 'A' American" as you can get (even if manufactured in Canada/Mexico [I forget which] tongue ). "World company" or not, an American Icon(tm) should reflect American design cues. What's being paraded around as "Mustang" is just another boring modern sports car design that could be confused for any other if you didn't pay attention to the badges.

Hell, I wouldn't even really mind it much if the hardware was assigned a new name. But putting the Mustang name on it when it has just about zero connection with the brand aside from the manufacturer? What. The. FUCK.

edited 23rd Apr '12 10:40:31 AM by Nohbody

 337 pvtnum 11, Mon, 23rd Apr '12 10:55:52 AM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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It certainly looks cool, but it looks nothing like a Mustang.

But this has happene before. Remember the Ford Probe? There was talk about making that the Mustang, as we were caught in Gas Crisis II. When the crisis went away, they released it as the Probe. We could have had FWD four-banger Mustangs if the crisis had continued, which would've made the Mustang II a veritable performance machine in comparison...
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 338 drunkscriblerian, Mon, 23rd Apr '12 7:52:08 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
Street Writing Man
@Nohbody: that is not a Mustang. That is a Pontiac Sunfire with delusions of grandeur.
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed.

~Cora M. Strayer~
 339 pvtnum 11, Tue, 24th Apr '12 12:34:46 AM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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That's an insult to Sunfires, sir.

I like the front grille of the concept - but make the headlights more recognizable, and please change the rear end, and the overall proportions of the body shape - the outline - are just wrong somehow.

The '13 Shelby? That looks cool, and recognizable. If they're going to totally scratch the look, they shouldn't keep the name. Just one problem I had with the new GTO when they came out. They looked nothing like a GTO - they were just G8's with a bit more attitude.

edited 24th Apr '12 12:37:07 AM by pvtnum11

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 340 Nohbody, Tue, 24th Apr '12 5:56:16 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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We could have had FWD four-banger Mustangs if the crisis had continued, which would've made the Mustang II a veritable performance machine in comparison...

As someone who had a FWD four-banger at one point, I'm pretty much obligated to say that such can be a decent performer, with the right hardware.

(If not necessarily cheaply... tongue )
 341 Madrugada, Tue, 24th Apr '12 9:47:08 AM Relationship Status: In season
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Hell's Bells. That thing isn't even a Sunfire with delusions of grandeur. It's a bloody Karmann Ghia.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 342 pvtnum 11, Tue, 24th Apr '12 12:50:44 PM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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Yes, you can make a FWD four-cylinder car fast. But as you say, it will cost you some.
Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
 343 drunkscriblerian, Tue, 24th Apr '12 10:08:52 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
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@Maddie: I liked Kharmann-Ghias. I don't like that...thing. What the fuck is Ford thinking?
If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed.

~Cora M. Strayer~
 344 Madrugada, Tue, 24th Apr '12 10:34:00 PM Relationship Status: In season
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I like Karmann Ghias too. They're fun, blobby little cars that are just barely not-underpowered. Mustangs should not be blobby or just barely not-underpowered.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 345 Nohbody, Tue, 24th Apr '12 10:37:15 PM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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Mustangs should not be [...] just barely not-underpowered.

... again.

tongue
 346 pvtnum 11, Wed, 25th Apr '12 12:17:35 AM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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Gone are the 351 V8's. They consider it a good and mighty thing if they come with a 5-liter from the factory.

Shoot, us Chevy guys hated our 5-liter engines. That isn't to say that you can't jazz one up, though.
Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
 347 pvtnum 11, Mon, 30th Apr '12 11:27:59 AM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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So, some guy stuck a note on my car, offering to buy it.

Poor guy doesn't understand that all that stands between me and getting it restored is NOT HAVING A GARAGE.
Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
Is that cake frosting?
I kinda want to buy a motorcycle.

I am not going to do it soon — I can afford it, but I don't really need it at the moment and I don't even know how to drive it — but it is an idea that's been in my mind for a while.

On one hand, it is a risk; but on the other, well, it sounds both fun and useful.
But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 349 Demon Shark Kisame, Mon, 24th Sep '12 10:19:42 PM from some ghetto in North Carolina
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So my neighbor's selling his 2000 Volkswagen Jetta VR6 for about $3000, and I kinda want it. It's in really good shape, though with a caveat: it's a salvage title because it hit a deer once. Only thing wrong with it now is a driver's-side window that won't work. My father wants to talk the neighbor into reducing the price by however much it would cost to fix said window, but even without taking that into account, is $3000 a fair price, salvage title and all? It's got 115k miles, leather, CD player, practically the works.

edited 24th Sep '12 10:20:22 PM by DemonSharkKisame

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 350 TParadox, Mon, 24th Sep '12 10:21:39 PM Relationship Status: In another castle
Come on Ace, we've got work to do.
Don't think I mentioned here that last month I finally received my late great aunt's car, so I'm now driving a tan 91 Pontiac Acclaim.
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