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Convert to Index?: Standard Status Effects get usage counts

Dragon Writer
I'm mixed on that - the naming of them is a trope too because that's precisely what the viewer recognizes them by.

However, I believe we can't have a page for "Standard" Status Effects without having a page for Status Effects in general, and if we do have a page for it in general then it needs to mention both the positive and negative ones, rather than strictly focusing on Status Ailments while letting Status Buffs have their own page.

edited 12th Jun '13 7:05:52 AM by Stratadrake

So at this point the plan appears to be

1. Take "Status Effect" to YKTTW as the supertrope of Standard Status Effects and Status Buff.
2. Rename Standard Status Effects to Status Ailment.
3. Possibly split subtropes of Status Ailment to YKTTW.

Who's up for this?

Dragon Writer
I'm up for it... distracted scheduling and all....
 129 Marq FJA, Tue, 6th Aug '13 5:46:59 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
<threadhop>

Are we still using this scheme for organizing/classifying the status effects?
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 130 Septimus Heap, Tue, 13th Aug '13 12:58:20 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Hmm...this is getting stale again. Is there any reason why we don't close this and start over? I get the feeling that without a completely fresh start we won't be getting anywhere soon.

Dragon Writer
Well, I do have that YKTTW for Status Effect, I'm certainly disappointed nobody's responded to it.
 132 Binary Step, Wed, 4th Sep '13 7:25:51 PM from Wouldn't You Like To Know?
The King of Infinite Decomposition
I think we should fix it. The title always bugged me, since "status effect" doesn't mean "status ailment".
My opinions are secretly facts.
Dragon Writer
I also began a YKTTW for Status Ailment, which ... is ... also lacking in the feedback department.
 134 Willbyr, Tue, 15th Oct '13 3:50:11 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Clock is set.

edited 15th Oct '13 3:50:27 AM by Willbyr

 135 Troacctid, Wed, 16th Oct '13 7:53:19 AM from California
I think the Status Effect YKTTW is launch-ready. Status Ailment could use some more time, but it can survive as an Internal Subtrope until its YKTTW is done baking.

All we have left is to look for splittable subtropes that we can write up. The health of our main trope isn't contingent on the splits, so I feel comfortable that our work here is done and the project can be handed off to Special Efforts/YKTTW.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 136 Septimus Heap, Wed, 16th Oct '13 8:24:22 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Short Term Projects, actually. But otherwise I agree.

Dragon Writer
Okay, Status Effect and Status Ailment are now both done. Status Effect is declared No Examples, Please; Status Ailment could probably have examples split into subpages by genre. Any ideas for indexing and crosswicking?

Unfortunately we do now have a disconnect in naming — that the existing page is canonically named "Standard Status Effects" and not "Standard Status Ailments".

edited 31st Dec '13 9:36:03 AM by Stratadrake

 138 Willbyr, Fri, 31st Jan '14 3:58:28 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Re-clocking.
 139 Marq FJA, Fri, 31st Jan '14 7:09:54 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
[up][up] So you're suggesting a rename, then?
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
Dragon Writer
Consistent use of terminology between trope names is a Good Thing.

Hopefully the last crowner?
 141 Troacctid, Sat, 1st Feb '14 11:26:23 PM from California
I don't see a need to split between Standard Status Ailments and Standard Status Buffs. Just let it cover both and keep the name. We can stick a Tropes Are Flexible note in the description if that's necessary.

edited 7th Feb '14 3:45:25 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 142 Marq FJA, Mon, 3rd Feb '14 3:03:18 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
[up] You're too late in saying that. At this point, you'd need a very good reason to overturn the the consensus opinion of splitting the two into separate tropes.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 143 Troacctid, Fri, 7th Feb '14 3:50:07 PM from California
I was referring to Stratadrake's new crowner. We already did the split between Status Buff and Status Ailment. There's no need to split Standard Status Effects too. Renaming 900 wicks would just be a waste of effort and there's nothing wrong with it as is.

edited 7th Feb '14 3:50:30 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Dragon Writer
Look at the page, it covers negative status effects exclusively (and always has). Whereas Status Buff not only defines the term but incorporates a list of standard buffs.
 145 Troacctid, Sat, 8th Feb '14 1:02:29 AM from California
Standard status buffs would be covered implicitly via Tropes Are Flexible/Playing with a Trope. (The current description even already has a line talking about them.) But even if they weren't, it would be much simpler and easier just to expand the description a little bit—renaming is overkill.

edited 8th Feb '14 1:02:39 AM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 146 Septimus Heap, Sat, 8th Feb '14 1:16:33 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I voted the new, not hooked crowner down, mainly because I am not sure if a rename or a description rewrite is needed, and the crowner only covers the first option.

Dragon Writer
...statutory limitation of SP crowners, yeah.
 148 Willbyr, Sat, 8th Mar '14 5:42:54 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
The last clock is waaaaay past due; has anything been done with this?
 149 Marq FJA, Sat, 8th Mar '14 12:56:17 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
The last, unhooked crowner pretty much stalled, perhaps because it has not been hooked.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 150 Willbyr, Tue, 15th Apr '14 4:06:07 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Looks like we're as done here as we're gonna get; locking up.
The system doesn't know you right now, so no post button for you.
You need to Get Known to get one of those.

Page Action: Standard Status Effects
2nd Sep '11 1:18:23 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
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