Depends what level of "dishonour" I suppose.
I vaguely remember reading something similar about the Southern/Western US before. I don't think I'm in a position to say whether or not they have/had a culture of "death before dishonour", but it does strike me that having more accidental deaths could easily be due to a lot of things unrelated to culture e.g. if you've got lots of thinly-populated rural areas and fewer big cities, car crashes are more likely to be fatal because you're likely to be further away from a hospital or anyone who could help.
"Well, it's a lifestyle"In addition to what captain brass says, you're also likely to be farther away from authorities that can catch you before or while you're doing something particularly stupid and potentially law-breaking. (Although that study seems to be more about recording risky behavior rather than criminal behavior. Though those do tend to overlap for various reasons.)
Plus, guys do stupid things anyway to impress their friends. It's part of the machismo that's still inherent in society. It's largely a matter of whether you get caught or found before you end up hurt.
edited 16th Aug '11 1:00:22 PM by AceofSpades
Yeah, there is a macho culture that celebrates drinking, fighting and generally unwise behaviour in lots of places. You get it in parts of the UK - Yorkshire, the North East, Scotland.
"Well, it's a lifestyle"It is quite possible to do plenty of stupid things without them even being remotely criminal. The relationship is tenous at best.
Who watches the watchmen?That's why I said things like potentially law breaking. And, sometimes, you end up with some really weird laws because someone did something stupid and local authorities figured making a law against it would help deter it happening again. At least in America.
That happens in the North west of England as well.
Dutch LesbianWait, when did dying become a crime?
So... pretty much "He y'all, watch this!"?
A lot of thing that cause accidental death are illegal; such as speeding or firearm misuse.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Well I catch an interesting concept within the article posted. They're saying that the honour culture comes about because the lack of authorities in the area to enforce law means people have to fend for themselves more. So not only would you get the increased crime because of the lack of law enforcement but you also get increased risky behaviour causing people to do more reckless things that get them accidentally killed?
Specifically, it's because these actions actively endanger others. It's Darwin-award material when someone kills themselves while mishandling a firearm. If the misfire kills a neighbor's child, it's a tragedy.
edited 19th Aug '11 5:54:27 AM by Ratix
I just avoid the whole issue by choosing to ignore the whole concept of honor. So far its been working out well and I've been keeping myself from doing stupid things because of it.
Through the eyes I have known you.
Reading an interesting news article, it appears that being from a certain part of the country raises your chance to get an accidental death.
"People who embrace these values also report more risk-taking," explained study author Dr. Ryan Brown, an associate professor of psychology at the University of Oklahoma, in Norman.
This dangerous male mindset is also more prevalent among those living in the South and West, in such states as South Carolina, Texas and Wyoming, he added.
In two studies published in the current issue of the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science, Brown looked at the consequences of such thinking.
First, he compared rates of accidental deaths (car accidents, drowning, over-exertion and so on) in all U.S. states. He found the so-called "honor states" had higher rates than non-honor states (such as New York, Ohio, Wisconsin).
More than 7,000 deaths a year can be blamed on risk-taking linked with the "culture of honor," he said.
The behavior was most common in more rural areas of the honor states, he found. In the cities of honor states, he found a 14 percent higher accidental death rate than in the cities of non-honor states. He found a 19 percent higher rate in the smaller towns of honor states compared to non-honor states.
"In a smaller town, your reputation is much more important," he said. It's likely that everyone knows your business, and that could be good or bad for your reputation, he explained.
In a second study, Brown surveyed 103 college students from his university, including 79 women.
The participants completed tests measuring how much they subscribed to the culture of honor, finished a self-esteem test and answered questions about their tendencies toward risk-taking behavior. A sample statement to which they agreed or not was: "A real man doesn't let other people push him around."
The more the person subscribed to a culture of honor, the more likely they were to engage in risky behaviors, the findings showed.
The effect was there for women, too, Brown said.
He and others have previously noted that this culture of honor originated with the Ulster Scots (mistakenly sometimes called the Scotch-Irish) who came to the United States during the 18th century.
In their homeland, he said, they were herders and were always being invaded by someone. They learned to protect and defend themselves, not always in ideal ways. A typical statement, Brown noted: "You take one of our cows, we will take your whole herd."
The culture of honor behavior persists, he said, despite the disappearance of the herds.
It has staying power, Brown added, and is fostered through norms and values about masculinity and femininity. It's the stuff of country songs, he explained.
That makes sense to Richard Nisbett, the Theodore M. Newcomb Distinguished Professor of Psychology at the University of Michigan. He is the author of Culture of Honor: The Psychology of Violence in the South.
In the past, Nisbett explained, "if you kept animals for a living, you ran the risk of having your entire livelihood taken away [if someone opens the pasture gate, for instance]."
In modern times, "if you stand the risk of losing your livelihood easily and the state is not around to protect you, you are going to develop this kind of culture of honor," Nisbett said.
There's more to it than showing off for women, although that is part of it, he added. It is also, for a man, showing other guys your toughness.
While Brown's research and that of others clearly shows that some states aren't honor states, Nisbett said that the behavior is kept going partly by the false belief that everyone else subscribes to the same mindset.
"We tend to think of the culture of honor as historical," said Joe Vandello, an associate professor of psychology at the University of South Florida. But, "elements of this culture of honor still exist today."
Simply becoming aware of the phenomenon might help reduce the behavior, Brown noted. Even though it can become "part of your programming," he said, "we have a will, we have a choice."
I'm curious how well ideas like this affect the reporting of other crimes, as well, but sadly that was outside the scope of the research.
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw