this is not a good pic for a couple of reasons: Critical Research Failure

The current image for this page is not very good for a couple of reason;

The first is that for it to work you need prior knowledge of the Olympics to know venues but lack knowledge of the committee meeting schedule and selection process.

Secondly it is not exactly true, they allowed the Weiner republic host the games and the Nazis won the election a few years later so they got to host the Olympic Games without the Olympic committee granting them the games.

This has been nominated twice in the past year once by me and once by somebody else who had never heard of the games. And even though it survived both times it douse not really illustrate this trope.

In its place I propose this one from Fox News that gives an obviously tampered with poll because it adds up to 120%. Even the anchors realized something was wrong this poll. It is a good example that everyone can tell is not right.

edited 15th Aug '11 8:50:30 AM by hartbreak

The proposed one is marginally better than current, though I don't think there's really a need to switch. Also, could someone fix the link? It's sending me to the home page.

First key to interpreting a work: Things mean things.

In favour of keeping the current one. It's a nice illustration of something that you should really check before writing it on a placard.

With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.

I wouldn't say your pic is much better as it doesn't seem like Critical Research Failure so much as... I don't know, Critical Math Failure. It doesn't really show the research itself failing. At least the current pic shows someone saying something that is blatantly wrong in the content of their message, and has links to back it up.

Your pic isn't an example. It's just misleading categorization. The "somewhat likely" category is actually the "at least somewhat likely" category. The numbers work when you consider that. So it's more Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics, but doesn't show that trope either without the explanation.

edited 15th Aug '11 9:14:55 AM by INUH

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You're offering the same reason that didn't convince people last time.

1) It's a very easily checkable fact that the Nazis did in fact host the Olympics.

2) The placard isn't asking "Would we give it to them?". It's asking "Would we let them host?" The answer to the question being asked isn't "Well, technically, we didn't grant the Games to them, they came into power after the Games had been assigned." The answer to the question being asked is "Yes, we would. We did."

edited 15th Aug '11 9:41:24 AM by Madrugada

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Indeed, I think the current picture is perfectly applicable and humorous to boot. Your picture might do as an alternate for one of the failing math tropes... E = MC Hammer?

edited 15th Aug '11 9:43:03 AM by USAF713

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^As I said, though, that image isn't a math failure; it's a deliberate attempt to mislead. The numbers add up if you realize what they're doing.

edited 15th Aug '11 9:44:20 AM by INUH

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Why not remove it? After all the Real Life section did get axed a while ago.

"Deliberate attempt to mislead?"

...or Parody Retcon?

Yeah, though, I get what you mean. I just kind of glanced at the picture before...

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Yeah, it's definitely not immediately obvious at first glance. I only knew it because I'd seen the picture before.

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I'm good with the current pic.

The current pic's better. For one thing, the error with the poll looks like a typo to me, not Critical Research Failure or even an arithmetic error, exactly. If you hypothesize that the last number is actually "6" instead of "26", it does add up to 100.

(And, incidentally, if that hypothesis is correct, the resulting graphic actually goes against the presumed Evil Fox News Agenda.)

edited 15th Aug '11 11:07:29 AM by suedenim

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Add my vote to keep the current pic, it's fine. Also, the suggestion is actually confusing IMO: I thought it was the "did scientists falsify research" claim that was the Critical Research Failure, not the poll's percentages (the fact I didn't care adding up the numbers doesn't help).

edited 15th Aug '11 11:29:18 AM by AceNoctali

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I'm not a fan of the current. I fully believe that this is something that should be a basic set of knowledge of the subject. Neither the olympics nor nazis come to mind when thinking of the other.

Fight smart, not fair.

...How widely known is it that Nazi Germany hosted the Olympics? That's the standard for a Critical Research Failure — it must be widely known and/or obvious to anyone with even the slightest knowledge on a subject (or preferably no formal knowledge on it whatsoever).

Not knowing who hosted the Olympics and when isn't exactly comparable to, say, mistaking when America celebrates the Fourth of July.

I would like to find that Calvin And Hobbes strip where Calvin does his "report" on bats, and the entire class shouts him down with a "BATS AREN'T BUGS!" In-universe examples are usually better, no?

Ah! Here we are:

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edited 15th Aug '11 6:00:37 PM by Stratadrake

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As-is, that's the entire strip, which we aren't supposed to use. Maybe panels 2-3 or 1, 2 and 3?

edited 15th Aug '11 6:36:17 PM by INUH

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I guess the second and third one set vertically could work...

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Actually, the current picture and caption would fit Did Not Do The Research better than its current picture.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.

I'd be down with that version.

edited 15th Aug '11 7:51:54 PM by Willbyr

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@DQZ: You are perfectly right — it's an example but the current image for DNDTR relies entirely on the caption to communicate it. Don't we have a term for that?

edited 15th Aug '11 9:45:04 PM by Stratadrake

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@stratadrake That's just it, though. Critical Research Failure is noticed by anyone with a cursory knowledge on the subject. It doesn't say anything about it being widely known or studied by all. It simply says "anyone with a cursory knowledge would know it is incorrect", Not common knowledge. So as it stands, anyone with cursory knowledge of general history, Olympic history, or the history of Germany would know its incorrect, and between those three groups, that's a lot of people. So the current picture works just fine, in this one's humble opinion. I love Calvin And Hobbes, and would love to see it as the image to this page, but that comic is better suited for Did Not Do The Research, since Calvin obviously didnt.

Olympic history, perhaps. General history (rule of thumb: stuff taught in the typical grade/high schools), I doubt it.

edited 15th Aug '11 11:05:38 PM by Stratadrake

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Anyone who took world history in the 7th grade would know about it. Even more so if they knew about black history with Jesse Owens.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

...but I do remember that...

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