they certainly point out many of PET As dark secrets which they don't want anyone to know.
See, you seem to be assuming the truth of the arguments. The whole point of this thread was for me to ask "why do you believe these arguments when the evidence used to support the arguments seems to be really flimsy?"
There was no need for "creative editing" to make their side look better, PETA had lots of skeletons in the closet.
But how do you know that? Are there third-party sources that can back up P&T's claims better than they did? I never really thought they were guilty of "creative editing", I just found that once I was able to think about the episode calmly (which takes a while, given that it's full of High Octane Nightmare Fuel
), it seemed like the evidence they used to support their claims was highly dubious. Unless you have more trustworthy sources, how do you know that PETA has "lots of skeletons in the closet" rather than it being the case that P&T made most of those skeletons up out of thin air?
Personally, I'm just going to eat my steak and acknowledge my proper place on the food chain.
I never asked you to do otherwise. This thread isn't about the merits or ethics of meat-eating vs. vegetarianism.
Look everyone, I don't mean to sound rude, I really don't, but most of you seem to be missing the whole point of my original post. It's not "why do you dislike PETA" or "how can you eat meat" or even "here's my argument that PETA isn't crazy". It's "why do you believe P&T's claims about PETA when the evidence they cite to support these claims is so dubious?".
I'm not even arguing that PETA isn't crazy, maybe they are, but Penn & Teller's argument that they are doesn't seem to hold up well. Their claims also go beyond "they are crazy" to stuff like "they support the ALF which firebombs buildings", but they don't present much in the way of evidence to support these accusations, yet many people throughout this wiki seem to believe the accusations are true anyway and I can't understand why.
If there is compelling evidence for these accusations from sources that have no obvious reason to lie about it, I'd be happy to see it. If there's a reason P&T's evidence isn't as flimsy as it seemed to me, I'd be happy to hear it. However, posts that just say "well, PETA is crazy anyway" or "I love meat" are not helpful and, in the latter case, are even beside the point.
edited 30th Sep '11 9:43:45 AM by 411314