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Enzeru icon by implodingoracle from Orlando, FL ¬ôχಠ♥¯ Since: Mar, 2011
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#76: Sep 12th 2011 at 4:30:12 PM

Until an updated list comes along, I'm just gonna address the bullet points in the OP.

1. His (I will stick with this pronoun for the sake of convenience, although to be honest, I don't know any shonen action MC that is female) parents are either dead or plain useless.

Got this quote from the Wikipedia page for Cutie Honey:

"According to Nagai, she is the first female to be the protagonist of a shōnen manga series."

Then there's also Lucy from Fairy Tail.

2. He has spikey hair (curiously/interestingly averted by Luffy)

Detective Conan's eponymous protagonist doesn't have spikey hair or Anime Hair. Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho also doesn't have either hair.

3. He is not good at study, more often than not at the bottom of the class, and even if he is good at study, it's more of an informed attribute than anything. This usually has to do with MC being exhausted doing whatever kind of adventure that he is engaged in, although he never seems to engage on it every single day.

Light of Death Note is probably the one of the most well-known averters of this shonen protagonist trait.

4. He has very hot temper and when in fight, usually heads along without concrete plan. (Just to let you know, Touma from To Aru Majutsu No Index, at least during Season I, does not count so put your hand down.)

Kenshin of Rurouni Kenshin is very calm in battle unless someone he has a strong relationship with has been hurt. I'm not sure about having a plan before going into battle, but he usually does manage to make sure the correct side of the blade is being used against his opponent so as not to kill them or such.

5. When he fights, it always eventually boils down to who has more raw strength and endurance.

In the first Yu Gi Oh anime by Toei, Yugi and Atem used clever strategy and deception to beat foes who could kill him with a fist to the gut.

6. He will almost always defeat opponents who are obviously far more trained than him.

Yeah, I've got nothing.

7. When he DOES get trained, output will be almost always be bigger than input, which will be always bigger than that of main antagonist.

Naruto does a lot of hard training to make sure he becomes a better ninja. Despite his attacks being powerful, he usually exerts a lot more energy/chakra than is needed and thus he wears out faster. Sasuke, one of the antagonists in the Shippuden saga, seem to have a much bigger output than Naruto, at least until Naruto managed to control the Nine-Tailed Fox's chakra. As for input, I'm not sure if Sasuke puts in a lot, but it doesn't really look like it.

8. He always goes his way to save people, usually with motives either very shallow or related to 1.

I'm certain that at least three of the protagonists I mentioned avert this.

While it's true that Conan likes to solve mysteries for fun, he also doesn't like seeing people in danger, be they criminal or otherwise, also not mattering whether it's someone he knows or not.

Yusuke chose to save Keiko's life at one point by risking the one chance he had to come back to life, and after he's revived, even though he's defeating demons because he has an obligation to Koenma (who gave him a second chance at regaining his life), Yusuke was very pissed when he found that a demon was digesting the soul of a little kid.

Yugi, being the friendly guy he is, will help anyone who wants or needs it.

9. He never gives up, even in a situation when it's better for him to retreat, preserve himself a bit more, and try again with different methods.

Again averted with Yugi as he lost face when he lost to rival Kaiba after the latter threatened to jump off the castle to his death should he have lost. Atem (the spirit in Yugi's puzzle) wanted to win the duel anyway (though I forget if it was to keep going and save Yugi's grandfather), but Yugi stopped him from making the winning move and forfeited the match. He got better when Tea convinced him to continue the other tournament, noting that he could still get star chips to enter the finals by defeating other duelists, such as Mai (who had lost to Tea and given her the star chips so that Yugi could keep going).

10. He is incapable of having normal romance. He will always belligerently deny romantic involvements and act aloof or rude toward his potential love interest, when he is not busy being completely oblivious to romantic feelings in general.

From what I've read on Wikipedia, the main protagonists of Rosario To Vampire seem to have a decent relationship.

11. He is always right, ever, no matter what, even though he does not adequately understand the context of the situation that he is involved in. Anyone who opposes him, almost always ones who know what they are doing, is misguided or outright evil.

The thing with Light is that, even though he has the power to easily kill anyone he chooses and is smart enough to do this while being able to avoid looking conspicuous, his cockiness leaves him vulnerable because he underestimates his opponents. These aren't outright defeats, but these close calls make him go over his plans and see where his errors in judgment were. As for antagonists, his first antagonist (at least) is on the side of societal justice and does not believe that someone should handle the fate of other people's lives as though they were a deity.

edited 12th Sep '11 4:30:58 PM by Enzeru

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#77: Sep 12th 2011 at 6:00:06 PM

[up] Detective Conan, Yu Gi Oh, and Death Note aren't shonen action series so they are not good examples to counter against my points.

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#78: Sep 12th 2011 at 6:17:30 PM

Yu-gi-oh! is. Even if the action is with holograms, it still counts as action.

I'll give you the other two though.

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#79: Dec 28th 2011 at 10:35:16 PM

I've read Kenichi The Mightiest Disciple and it is the first one I've read (again, I don't read THAT many series) that at least partially averts the Rule #1.

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#80: Dec 29th 2011 at 7:58:49 AM

"Incapable of normal romance" Snonen protagonist have often unrequired crushs, in older mangas and animes it were also used for invoking The Dulcinea Effect.

So I disagree with that as common trait, I think both cases are about same level.

[down]From below list these are proof. (there may be another from shows I didn't see/manga I didn't read)

  • Naruto
  • Kuzumi
  • Rin
  • Ageha
  • Tsukune

Some may be debatable but signs of crushs are here from very begening

edited 29th Dec '11 8:09:11 AM by Tenzen12

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#81: Dec 29th 2011 at 8:01:35 AM

Listing Shonen action protagonists and the points that I think fit them:

  • Luffy: 4, 8, 10
  • Naruto: 1, 2, 3, 8
  • Ichigo: 2 - 7, 9, 10
  • Oga (Beelzebub): 1, 3 - 7, 9, 10
  • Shion (magico): 2, partly 3 (he admits he's dumb, but it's justified and he compensates for it well enough)
  • Kuzumi (Mx0): 2, 3, 6 (justified; his enemies are better at magic but he's better at fighting), 10 somewhat
  • Natsu (Fairy Tail) 2 - 6, 9, 10
  • Rin (Ao no Exorcist): 3 - 6, 10 (kinda)
  • Kitano (Angel Densetsu): 5
  • Allen (D Gray Man): 1, 10
  • Gon (HxH): 2, 3, 6 (via planning), 7
  • Tsuna (Reborn): 2, 3, 8
  • Ageha (Psyren): 1 and 2
  • Tsukune (Rosario Vampire): 1, 3, 5 - 9
  • Negi (Negima): 2 (well, his ponytail), 10
  • Toriko (Toriko): 1

And that's about what I can pull from memory in five minutes or so.

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#82: Dec 29th 2011 at 9:43:46 AM

I did this for one of my stories the only two that applied though were 9. and 10. :3

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#83: Dec 29th 2011 at 11:22:46 AM

Maybe Jotaro Kujo averts 1 somewhat, because while his parents are useless, Joseph isn’t. He averts 2. Now, as for 3, he is a marine biologist, but it is definitely an informed attribute so it’s played straight. The rest fits pretty well.

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#84: Dec 29th 2011 at 11:47:02 AM

Maybe Jotaro Kujo averts 1 somewhat, because while his parents are useless, Joseph isn’t. He averts 2. Now, as for 3, he is a marine biologist, but it is definitely an informed attribute so it’s played straight. The rest fits pretty well.

I wouldn't say so. Most of the time, he is victorious because of quick thinking and superior tactics compared to his opponents. The fact that Star Platinum usually reduces them to paste after he's cornered them is merely the icing on the cake.

edited 29th Dec '11 11:47:26 AM by Fluid

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#85: Jan 6th 2012 at 6:57:07 AM

  • He often has two or more girls who admire him (likely to be a Yamato Nadeshiko and a Tsundere, or some other Betty and Veronica-type duo.)
  • He's brash, rude, and disrespectful of authority - and is never called out on it.

While I don't mind the Hot-Blooded archetype, it'd be nice to see something different. Maybe more types who are polite and friendly most of the time, but will make sure you regret it if you push them too far. (Hey, it's been done before. Just not nearly often enough.) Or a shonen hero who's a Badass Bookworm and thinks up strategies rather than charging headfirst into battle.

edited 6th Jan '12 6:57:25 AM by Xandriel

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#86: Jan 6th 2012 at 7:42:17 AM

It really does look we have a trope here.

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#87: Jan 6th 2012 at 8:51:26 AM

Or a shonen hero who's a Badass Bookworm and thinks up strategies rather than charging headfirst into battle

Mahou Sensei Negima.

The annoying part, though, is he sometimes actually does best when forced to just charge headfirst, instead of going in with a plan...

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#88: Jan 6th 2012 at 8:54:48 AM

[up] That really depends really he is flat out told in the work by other people that he should be like that (Asuna and Kotaro are already there).

The every time he actually went and did it it worked but it was at great cost to his body.

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#89: Jan 6th 2012 at 8:56:27 AM

I really don't like when the universe seems to encourage a character to follow the Idiot Hero ruleset.

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#90: Jan 6th 2012 at 9:02:14 AM

Except for the fact that the real Idiot Hero failed he won the battle but basically lost the war (and pretty darkly too).

Every time Negi does it he won the battle but slipped farther from being human... however to win this war and save 2 billion people he is going to have to go back to using his mind. (Negi's Idealism does not equal idiotic too.)

edited 6th Jan '12 9:04:51 AM by Raso

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#91: Jan 6th 2012 at 9:04:21 AM

To be fair, his loss of humanity seems to be an inconvenient for the girls, but not at all for him. He hasn't given any sign of it troubling him since the Mundus Magicus arc ended.

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#92: Jan 6th 2012 at 1:49:51 PM

Then agian the other extreme isn't that much better, Light Yagami and Yami Yugi both left bad tastes in my mouth especially Light Yagami. There needs to be a balance.

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#93: Jan 6th 2012 at 2:28:57 PM

[up] The impression I always got from Yami Yugi (in the anime, at least) was he owed most of his success to Plot Shielding and Ass Pulling rather than to actual strategy.

edited 6th Jan '12 2:29:11 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

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#94: Jan 13th 2012 at 7:01:42 AM

At the moment, I'm thinking of launching this as a trope, under the name of Standardized Shonen Hero.

I wonder if I can make that title alliterative.

Also, you suppose all those criteria reflects Japanese teenagers desire? If so, how?

I think that it has something to do with being free and important. I'm too tired to make any in-depth analysis at the moment.

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#95: Jan 13th 2012 at 7:23:48 AM

I'm not sure just how standard this is, though. I've seen this kind of hero a lot, but I've seen other kinds a lot too.

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#96: Jan 13th 2012 at 7:25:30 AM

You are right. I need to do some research before launching a YKTTW. It is probably not going to happen, though, at least not by me.

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#97: Jan 13th 2012 at 7:29:57 AM

Wouldn't this work better as an index? Unless we already have one...

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#98: Jan 13th 2012 at 7:40:42 AM

Yeah, an index might be better. It would let us point out all the things shonen did in utilizing its tropes.

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#99: Jan 15th 2012 at 2:33:42 PM

Standardized Shonen Hero Index sounds perfect.

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#100: Jan 15th 2012 at 3:25:39 PM

Yeah, I agree.

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