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Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#1: Aug 9th 2011 at 1:31:52 PM

Any government with sufficently extreme policies will lead to oppression of the average citizen, borderlining on serfdom.

Obviously, this is easiest to see in a totalitarian country.

Communism is very similar to serfdom - the government is at the top of a very wide pyramid. The worker earns subsistence wage and can't do anything to make more money.

Even on the liberterian side of things, the workers recieves little protection from abuse at the hand of their employers. Granted, we haven't seen a significant example of a truly liberiterian society, unless you include Africa because of the lawlessnes. Mongolia actually had polciies like this, but that's too long ago to comapre.

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GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#2: Aug 9th 2011 at 1:33:03 PM

Everyone needs some restrictions. The problem with going to an extreme means that at some point, something isn't operating within safe operational bounds, be it government, big business, the police, unions, whatever, I'm sure we could make the school system into a dystopian dictatorial hellhole if we tried.

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#3: Aug 9th 2011 at 1:33:12 PM

Anything that's too extreme will implode over its own lack of understanding of the human condition.

Play Bioshock. Fantastic game, better deconstruction of extremism.

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feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
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#4: Aug 9th 2011 at 3:16:40 PM

There are multiple issues that must be dealt with to create a "good" society, and governments that can be classified as "extreme" typically deal well with one issue while neglecting others.

(I can't wait to see how Rottweiler responds to this topic.)

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#5: Aug 9th 2011 at 3:44:30 PM

Play Bioshock. Fantastic game, better deconstruction of extremism.

Generalization from fictional evidence? As interesting as the games' stories are, it doesn't exactly prove anything about reality.

edited 9th Aug '11 3:44:37 PM by Clarste

Ramus Lead. from some computer somwhere. Since: Aug, 2009
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#6: Aug 9th 2011 at 3:49:05 PM

Define "extreme" and "moderate".

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#7: Aug 9th 2011 at 4:15:37 PM

Generalization from fictional evidence? As interesting as the games' stories are, it doesn't exactly prove anything about reality.

Well, objectively, it doesn't prove anything. That doesn't mean it's not right.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#8: Aug 9th 2011 at 4:21:09 PM

Doesn't mean it's not wrong either. It's just fiction.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#9: Aug 9th 2011 at 4:21:19 PM

I dont mean to sound rude but...

Duh?

Maybe it isn't as obvious for others as it is to me though.

"Extremism is bad" sounds pretty obvious, kind of like how Nooses are bad

edited 9th Aug '11 4:21:44 PM by Thorn14

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#10: Aug 9th 2011 at 4:24:35 PM

Doesn't mean it's not wrong either. It's just fiction.

Life imitates art just as much as art imitates life. I'm pretty sure that if you set up any utopia, left or right of center, in real life, it would crumble. Dystopia Is Hard is a trope because it's true. Extremism will generally fail.

edited 9th Aug '11 4:26:43 PM by USAF713

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#11: Aug 9th 2011 at 4:28:28 PM

Call me when we set up a city on the bottom of the ocean, fill it with mutants with psychic powers, and it ends up the same way as Bioshock.

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#12: Aug 9th 2011 at 4:36:00 PM

Call me when we set up a city on the bottom of the ocean, fill it with mutants with psychic powers, and it ends up the same way as Bioshock.

Rapture was destined to fall, regardless of the ADAM. He was a Straw Hypocrite—if only because he set his ideals far above his station in human nature—and he failed economics forever. The ADAM only aggravated the situation.

Even if we set up Rapture in real life, on dry land, without the science fiction nonsense, it would fall in less than a decade—if not even only in months. Extremism and utopia/dystopia are not compatible with baseline human nature.

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