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Escalation of the Conflict in Kosovo - Another War in the Balkans?:

 1 Milos Stefanovic, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:26:20 PM from White City, Ruritania
Decemberist
Yesterday, after a failed negotiation between the diplomatic teams of Serbia and Kosovo, the Kosovar Prime Minister Hashim Thaci issued an embargo against all Serbian goods, and ordered the Kosovar police to assume control of the Serbian-controlled north part of Kosovo, starting with control points on the administrative line with Serbia, ignoring the protests of the EU and US. The local Serbian population ambushed the police convoy, killing one policeman and starting a small skirmish, which was broken after the intervention of KFOR and the Serbian government. After a hasty compromise, Kosovar police officers were allowed to represent a small part of the control point garrisons, which left both sides relatively uneasy.

Today, a group of 50 Serbian young men attacked one control point and burnt it down, which led to the US contigent of KFOR sending tanks to break down the riot, and more KFOR soldiers being sent to guard other control points. Skirmishing is still going on, and there are reports of a lot of wounded, including journalists, and possibly deaths. The Kosovar officials are insisting on taking the North as quickly and forcefully as possible, while the Serbian government insists on continuing with peaceful negotiations, but is encouraging the population to use guerilla methods in case of actions similar to the one yesterday. War is looming.

Discuss.
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God damn it, why can't they just move on.
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 3 Lessinath, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:29:58 PM from In the wilderness.
Your last line said it. War is looming over this region like a storm. It remains to be seen how far it will go.

[up]I know. People are stupid like that sometimes. In this case it's an entire region.

edited 27th Jul '11 1:30:47 PM by Lessinath

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What they need is something saner to fight over, like professional sports teams.

 
 5 pvtnum 11, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:33:30 PM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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I remember this being a crappy duty assignment from when I was in, talking with some soldiers in my unit who deployed to Bosnia.

And then I see this, and I remember watching those Olympic Games as a kid.

http://tinyurl.com/3phoe2g

edited 27th Jul '11 1:34:04 PM by pvtnum11

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 6 Game Chainsaw, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:36:30 PM from sunshine and rainbows!
The Shadows Devour You.
I don't suppose you can just call in the armies of other states to form one big, contiguous fortified line over the border between both countries and say "cross this line and we'll wreck your shit"?
 7 Milos Stefanovic, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:37:47 PM from White City, Ruritania
Decemberist
The problem is that Serbia and Kosovo can't come to a compromise where is the border and does it exist at all.
The sin of silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
 8 Game Chainsaw, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:38:42 PM from sunshine and rainbows!
The Shadows Devour You.
Doesn't matter where the land blockade is related to an artificial line, only that it is in-between the Serbian and Kosovian militaries.

They're not going to try to get through a wall of NATO tanks, fortifications and air cover.

EDIT: Of course that only stops the military clashes. There'll be ethnic cleansings soon enough, and thats harder to stop. sad

edited 27th Jul '11 1:42:08 PM by GameChainsaw

 9 Milos Stefanovic, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:41:35 PM from White City, Ruritania
Decemberist
Kosovo doesn't have a military, only a police - KFOR is the NATO peacekeeping force.
The sin of silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
 10 Game Chainsaw, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:43:20 PM from sunshine and rainbows!
The Shadows Devour You.
Then its a question of getting between Kosovo and Serbia. And then somehow stopping the Serbians and Kosovians already on both sides of the border from killing each other... I don't know how much the international community can do about that.

No public outcry about the escalation in Serbia?

edited 27th Jul '11 1:45:34 PM by GameChainsaw

 11 Milos Stefanovic, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:48:25 PM from White City, Ruritania
Decemberist
Not yet, though many are blaming it on the government for taking a too pacifistic stance in the negotiations and thus indirectly letting the Kosovars send the police.

Also, putting a wall NATO of forces between the north of Kosovo and the rest would be a blow to Kosovar interests, since they want to assume control of the full territory, and NATO obviously favors them over the Serbs.

edited 27th Jul '11 1:48:38 PM by MilosStefanovic

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 12 Game Chainsaw, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:51:01 PM from sunshine and rainbows!
The Shadows Devour You.
Hmm... true enough. Its just when I see two large groups of people who very much intend to kill each other, my first instinct is to put as many men and large metal objects between them both as possible. Forgive my hasty response.

I hope the diplomatic corps of Europe and other countries are scrambling to calm this down...

I just don't want to see the region blow up again. It was going so well...
 13 Milos Stefanovic, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:52:57 PM from White City, Ruritania
Decemberist
So I was thinking, too. Unfortunately...

I'm afraid. I have to say that I'm really afraid.
The sin of silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
 14 Game Chainsaw, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:56:20 PM from sunshine and rainbows!
The Shadows Devour You.
Damn it... keep us posted. Are you near the areas that might be affected by the fighting?

EDIT: Wait, white city... so I take it you're in the capital then? Belgrade is probably the safest place right now.

edited 27th Jul '11 1:56:53 PM by GameChainsaw

 15 Milos Stefanovic, Wed, 27th Jul '11 1:58:56 PM from White City, Ruritania
Decemberist
Yes, I'm in Belgrade, so I'm safe, though I'm afraid because there's a chance that I'll get mobilized in case the war starts. I'll keep you all updated.
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 16 FF Shinra, Wed, 27th Jul '11 2:16:54 PM from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
Stay safe, friend.

I'll be paying attention to this, thanks for the heads up.
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 17 USAF713, Wed, 27th Jul '11 2:17:20 PM from the United States
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I would say that Europe should borrow the F-22s and then anything that looks at somebody funny gets a Sidewinder up its ass, but the F-22s are air-to-air only.

Really now, what in the fuck are they fighting over? Is there anything left in the Balkans to fight over? From the news we get over here, I would honestly be surprised if it didn't look like Fallout 3's Washington DC. All we learn about the Balkans is "they started World War I, and they can't go more than about a year without shooting each other repeatedly." So, what are they fighting over? Nothing? Borders? Nationalism? (those are all the same thing, by the way...)
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 18 lord Gacek, Wed, 27th Jul '11 3:15:34 PM from Kansas of Europe
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It's more nationalism than borders. There are parts of the world where history is still Serious Business.

edit: an hour late.

edited 27th Jul '11 3:15:55 PM by lordGacek

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 19 USAF713, Wed, 27th Jul '11 3:26:01 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
So, what, they can't all just join the EU and get over themselves? Normally I'm all for preserving national identities in the face of some larger entity trying to absorb people, but to me that doesn't mean one can shoot people over it, and really, their national identities have done nothing for them in recent memory, short of providing an excuse for them to kill each other.
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 20 badgertaco, Wed, 27th Jul '11 3:31:50 PM from The Imperial Throne
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Oh god, not this again. Please don't let this be a case of History Repeats Itself
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 21 lord Gacek, Wed, 27th Jul '11 3:36:49 PM from Kansas of Europe
KVLFON
[up][up] These things are never as easy as saying "why can't we be friends?", unfortunately. Nota bene I'd advise Serbia to get into EU as soon as they can, as then they would be able to use the EU politics as their lever against Kosovo.
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 22 USAF713, Wed, 27th Jul '11 3:44:35 PM from the United States
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Oh, I realize that it isn't that easy, but really, the whole thing just seems ridiculous and silly to people here. "X city is made up of people from some different group from hundreds of years ago, so let's start a war to break away from the government that's made up of those nasty people from the other group from hundreds of years ago!" Yeah, bullshit. Then again, we all know what happens when Europe tries to interfere in the Balkans...
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 23 FF Shinra, Wed, 27th Jul '11 3:50:17 PM from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
Problem with Serbia joining the EU is that they got in line too late. Had they got in before say...Bulgaria....they could use that lever. However, now that the EU has already come to the realization that they expanded too much too fast, they won't take on the Serbs. Turkey has more probability of getting in than they do at this point.
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 24 lord Gacek, Wed, 27th Jul '11 3:52:48 PM from Kansas of Europe
KVLFON
Anyway, I think Serbian government doesn't realize this fully — you know, that they'd decide they've got nothing to lose by starting yet another war.
"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"
Ouch. Age old grudges age really well it seems. I don't remember the Kosovo intervention in the 90's (too young) but it's basically about to cultural groups hating each other up to some parts trying to do genocide, right?
But seriously, I hope war doesn't happen and things will calm down eventually.

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