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Not what it sounds like: Capital City get usage counts

 26 Ghilz, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 3:13:43 AM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Chief City makes me thing of Capital City (again, it's the chief part) which is what this trope ain't.
 27 Xtifr, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 3:37:25 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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I suspect most people will find the distinction quite easy to understand. After all, the world is full of chief cities that aren't capitals.

Anyway, I don't believe that any of these extremely subtle connotations that you're so worried about have any chance of leading to actual misuse. Quite unlike The Metropolis, which almost guarantees misuse.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 28 shimaspawn, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:11:28 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
A city of 2000 people can be this trope. A city of 2000 people can in no way be counted as a metropolis. It's just flat out wrong.

edited 3rd Aug '11 5:11:45 AM by shimaspawn

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 30 shimaspawn, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:24:31 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
It is, but I kind of like it anyway.
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 31 Ghilz, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:29:46 AM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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A city of 2000 people can be this trope. A city of 2000 people can in no way be counted as a metropolis. It's just flat out wrong.

Yes, if there's no bigger city in the world. there's no "basic number" to be a metropolis - only that it is the largest. So in a setting (Especially when Writers Have No Sense Of Scale) where the largest populated city has 2000 people, then that is the metropolis.

[up][up] I like it.

edited 3rd Aug '11 5:30:10 AM by Ghilz

 32 shimaspawn, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:32:13 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I've never heard Metropolis applied to any city under a million people.

edited 3rd Aug '11 5:32:29 AM by shimaspawn

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 33 Ghilz, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:40:00 AM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Coz you live in the real world? Where cities of millions or more are not rare.

RP Gs often don't work like this. Heck, take Star Wars. The largest city of Tatooine, Mos Eisley, has 40, 000 people. 20% of the planet's population (and no, it's not the capital of Tatooine, that's Bestine)

edited 3rd Aug '11 5:42:04 AM by Ghilz

 34 shimaspawn, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:41:38 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
But I've never heard Tatooine called a metropolis. Nor any city in fiction under a million people.
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 35 Ghilz, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:42:44 AM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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[up] Nor would you. It's a planet. Talking of the metropolis OF Tatooine.
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[up][up] This.

Although I rarely hear the word Metropolis anymore at all as its been kinda monopolized by DC Comics.

edited 3rd Aug '11 5:43:18 AM by Raso

 37 shimaspawn, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:43:40 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Sorry, still on my first cup of coffee. I've never heard Mos Eisely called a metropolis either.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 38 Ghilz, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:45:00 AM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Okay, Real Life example. In the early middle ages, Italy's largest City was Rome. Population of 300, 000. Plagues and the empire's collapse caused Italy's population to take a dive.

If you tell me you never heard Rome called a Metropolis, I might lose it.

edited 3rd Aug '11 5:46:01 AM by Ghilz

 39 shimaspawn, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:48:36 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I've heard it called one now, but not in a historical perspective. Metropolis is a modern concept. It's a term that was coined to refer to the ever increasing size of modern cities in contrast to their ancient roots. From an anthropological perspective it would be incorrect to refer to ancient Rome as such.

It was a precursor to modern metropoli, but that doesn't make it one.
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 40 Ghilz, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:51:35 AM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Here

Anchorage is a mid-sized metropolis at the edge of an immense wilderness.

Population: 291, 826

There. Something Magazines call a Metropolis, less than half a million people. And the present.
 41 shimaspawn, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:55:24 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I can call a horse a zebra but it doesn't make it a zebra. One magazine misusing a word doesn't change the meaning of it. I'm sure I could drag up some example of someone misusing just about any word, but that's not how I've seen it used in the wild.

Especially when it's something aimed at tourists like that. Then people tend to use words to make themselves look bigger and brighter than they actually are because they want to separate people from their money. Seriously, every time I see a quarter pound burger called huge...

edited 3rd Aug '11 5:58:41 AM by shimaspawn

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 42 Ghilz, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 5:58:41 AM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Okay, how about you get a source for your "metropolis needs to be at least one million people".

I'd point out that for the US Government a population of 50, 000 or greater has been used as a de facto standard in the United States to define a metropolis.

The Canadian Government defines it as more than 100, 000 people

But I guess THEY don't know what meaning of the word either.
 43 shimaspawn, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 6:00:33 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Legalese isn't the same thing as language. What you're quoting is legalese. What I'm quoting is how I have heard the word used in media and every day life. There are lots of cites around me that are over 100, 000 people and the only ones I've heard called a metropolis are over a million.

I'm not the only person who thinks this way either. It will scare off good examples. It's actively misleading. That's far more important than any legal jargon you can throw out.

edited 3rd Aug '11 6:02:08 AM by shimaspawn

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Can we drop this? The word sucks because it connects more to DC Comics than this trope. As well as It could be a town of 100 people if its played right.
I always thought it was a pun. You know, the city where all the capitalism happens, and also maybe the governmental capital. I guess it's more confusing than funny.
 
 46 Xtifr, Wed, 3rd Aug '11 2:20:50 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Bottom line: Ghilz was complaining about how The Big City and The Chief City may have some sort of incorrect connotations. If that's an argument against those (and I'm not convinced he made his case), it goes at least double, if not ten times as much, for The Metropolis. But somehow, that connotation isn't a problem? Methinks the troper doth protest too much!
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 47 Ghilz, Mon, 19th Sep '11 11:37:45 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Bump. We still need a consensus.
Actually I believe the real world for this Mega City.

Edit: Ah crap that's another trope, and one I never knew existed...ok so how about, That One City. The Major City. The Important City.

edited 20th Sep '11 12:12:53 AM by Falco

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 49 Catalogue, Tue, 20th Sep '11 12:29:01 AM from where the good times are
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Alpha City? EDIT: Apparently IRL it refers to a global city.

edited 20th Sep '11 12:31:59 AM by Catalogue

The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.
 50 Madrugada, Tue, 20th Sep '11 6:38:57 AM Relationship Status: In season
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The Only Big City?
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!

Alternative Titles: Capital City 2
15th Apr '12 5:44:08 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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