Gender identity? What's that?:

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26 feotakahari24th Nov 2011 06:36:43 PM from Looking out at the city
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
I'm not sure being relatable is the issue here. (I would certainly hope that nobody here can relate to the average action-movie hero.) It's more like removal of anything that would hinder the character's ability to rapidly slaughter large quantities of people.

(I'd say that masculinity is removed as well, but our culture is sufficiently fucked-up that the presentation of action-movie heroes corresponds pretty well to the presentation of masculinity. I don't think it's a good representation of men, though—even the manliest man has more depth to him than that.)

edited 24th Nov '11 6:40:14 PM by feotakahari

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I tend to think of male as the category I get thrown into, rather than the category I belong in
So. Very. True. Only female, in my case.

It's not that I actually feel as if I am a male instead - I do have all the required female body parts and it causes me no dissonance. I just don't understand why it should be more important than the colour of my eyes in defining my identity.
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29 RJSavoy18th Feb 2012 09:53:47 AM from Edinburgh , Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Reymm
This is just how I have always felt. I'm biologically male, but it has never meant anything to me. For as far back as I remember any attempt to set up a sexually based dichotomy of people felt offensive and irrelevant to me. I never liked being called a man. But it's only in recent years that I have identified it as lack of gender identity. I have a vision of a future society, which I will use in an eventual webcomic, which has transcended gender (not ignoring or suppressing it). Superficially it would seem to us to have regressed, in that gender stereotypes are in many ways stronger; the crucial difference is that gender is a matter of individual orientation. To these English-speakers, "male/female" are biological terms, while "boy/girl/man/woman" indicate gender. The two are understood as linked, but separate. A corollary is that gender is not even tied to being human; AIs and hexapodes who identify as gendered are understood to be men or women for all intents and purposes. (It does not happen with Portamunds, who are asexual and too detached from the others to adopt their cultural norms, and gammars have their own gender system of queen/male/worker.) And the languages adapt to reflect this. English loses "he/she", using "they" for anything intelligent, and "it" for anything else, regardless of number. That's what I hope and expect gender to become; still part of culture, but not the dominating, obligatory norm it can still be today. My friend runs this tumbler, she's something of a crusader on the matter: fuckyougenderbinary.tumblr.com
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Have any of you guys ever felt like you're so sick of the idea of gender that you just absolutely detest it and wish it just disappeared off the face of the Earth?
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31 Morgikit19th Jul 2012 05:49:52 AM from    Alabama    , Relationship Status: In season
Zorua Girl
I'm not exactly sure what gender I am. I'm male in real life out of necessity, but I've been a girl online for a long time now. If I could shapeshift, I'd be all set.
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[up][up] Well, um, sort of. Not quite to that extent, I guess, but I do find it annoying when it seems to dictate the way people expect me to interact with them.

edited 20th Jul '12 11:44:21 PM by ThatHuman

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33 saintbraeburn22nd Jul 2012 03:58:17 PM from Dysfunctional California
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Then we'd have to reproduce Asexually or face eminent extinction.

That would be....odd.

edited 22nd Jul '12 4:03:03 PM by saintbraeburn

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34 Mukora22nd Jul 2012 04:11:33 PM from a place , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Uniocular
Honestly, I'd never even heard of the concept of a gender different from your sex until I started posting on TV Tropes.

I'm starting to think you people made it up.
35 saintbraeburn22nd Jul 2012 04:18:59 PM from Dysfunctional California
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Me too.....tongue
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36 Morgikit22nd Jul 2012 10:02:17 PM from    Alabama    , Relationship Status: In season
Zorua Girl
[up][up]How'd you manage that? I live in the deepest part of the deep south and I know about transsexuals.
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37 Mukora22nd Jul 2012 10:11:03 PM from a place , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Uniocular
I know about transexuals, but I never made the connection that wanting to be the opposite sex physically meant they considered themselves the opposite sex mentally.

Which I still do not understand at all. No matter how "feminine" you act, if you have a penis, why wouldn't you consider yourself a man?

edited 22nd Jul '12 10:11:39 PM by Mukora

38 Enzeru22nd Jul 2012 10:15:17 PM from Orlando, FL χಠ♥
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[up]I have a penis and I'm a guy/boy instead of a man. tongue Unless we're going by the man/werman/wifman naming system.
39 Mukora22nd Jul 2012 10:17:37 PM from a place , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Uniocular
Man/Boy/Male Homo Sapiens, whatever. I don't understand having a penis, and not considering yourself of the masculine persuasion.
40 saintbraeburn22nd Jul 2012 10:21:17 PM from Dysfunctional California
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Its because people hate being labeled even if the label is accurate.
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41 Mukora22nd Jul 2012 10:40:37 PM from a place , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Uniocular
Then why do they label themselves?

edited 22nd Jul '12 10:41:10 PM by Mukora

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No matter how "feminine" you act, if you have a penis, why wouldn't you consider yourself a man?
Some people aren't comfortable with the way others perceive them based on what's between their legs, and that perception completely contradicts how they perceive themselves. There's also being uncomfortable with one's biological... self. Something like that.
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43 Morgikit23rd Jul 2012 06:42:14 AM from    Alabama    , Relationship Status: In season
Zorua Girl
@Mukora Why do transgender women consider themselves women even though they have a penis? Because they do. Surely you consider yourself to be...whatever gender you are for reasons other than what's between your legs. You identify with that gender. Some people are just wired to identify with a gender different than their physical sex.
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44 Muramasan1323rd Jul 2012 07:06:40 AM , Relationship Status: Not war
Well, it is rooted in brain structure differences. The issue is one of a feminized brain in a male body (or vice versa).
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[up]What always irritates me about these sorts of studies is that they completely ignore the fact that some people don't identify with any gender at all. What are my numbers of neurons in the limbic system? Since it seems to be linked to gender and not to sex, and I don't have a gender, there's no way for me to know where I would fall on any of those graphs.
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46 Mukora23rd Jul 2012 07:58:32 AM from a place , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Uniocular
[[quoteblock]]Certainly you identify with whatever gender you are for more than what's between your legs.[[/quoteblocks]]Nope, not that I'm aware of.

I have a penis, so I'm male, it doesn't matter that I don't like sports or fishing or whatever else makes you male.
47 Morgikit23rd Jul 2012 09:17:59 AM from    Alabama    , Relationship Status: In season
Zorua Girl
[up]Hmm...well some people do. And it's kind of an asshole move to say they're making things up.
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48 Mukora23rd Jul 2012 09:35:30 AM from a place , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Uniocular
That part was just a joke, really.

I realize that it totally is a thing. I just don't understand it. Like platypi.
49 Muramasan1323rd Jul 2012 11:29:42 AM , Relationship Status: Not war
fanty: the lack of analysis of agendered subjects puzzles me, also.
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50 Morven25th Jul 2012 04:06:56 PM from Seattle, WA, USA
Nemesis
Did we ever have a Coven for the explicitly transgendered, rather than the ambiguously gendered, agendered, or bigendered that this topic is focused on?
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