General Digimon Topic

Daipenmon is the greatest.

Nah, it just doesn't work. Not only are there next to no true rookie forms, few of the hybrids are actually used, the beast and human spirits aren't meant to map over to ultimate or champion, etc.

Human spirits are Adult-class and Beast spirits are Perfect-class, going by most of the flavor text and most parts of the franchise.

Then again, levels are usually ignored altogether in post-Tamers stuff.

And yeah, we needed more stuff like Flamon and Strabimon, and the deal the warriors of Fire, Light and Darkness have, with their hybrids being made out of pieces of the Ancient, was awesome, even if a blatant way to sell toys.

Except Savers.

Do we know when Applimon or whatever starts?

The beginning of October, apparently.

Levels are handled very differently in each continuity. The two Adventure seasons had the gap so large that 4-6 Champions ganging up on a single Ultimate were at a disadvantage, and you'd absolutely need a Mega to fight another Mega (Angemon hax aside). Savers was a little more lenient, and Tamers had a narrow enough gap that a strong Rookie could take out a weaker Champion once in a while.

One minor gripe I have with tri is that they're seemingly going by Tamers rules instead of Adventure rules. Apparently, Ikakumon can tank a Positron Cannon and do decent damage back. Who knew?

The Ultimate-Mega gap seemed very large in Adventure, though I headcanon that fog-amped Myotismon (when he was swatting around other Ultimates like mosquitos) breached it.

My issues with the Frontier 'mons, pretty much.

Seriously, they could have used the fused hybrids to make the final arc more bearable.

A guy called NeoArchangemon on Deviantart made some pretty great fusion evolutions for the rest of the Frontier 'mons, including a redesign of several canon ones:

Beetlemon + MetalKabuterimon = Hotarumon

Kumamon + Korikakumon = WarYajuumon

Arbormon + Petaldramon = Timberdramon

Ranamon + Calimarimon = Atlantemon

Grumblemon + Gigasmon = PileTerramon

Mercurymon + Sakkakumon = LordTestamon

Duskmon + Velgemon = Zhernebomon

Personally, I like these designs a lot better since they actually look as much like fusions as Aldamon or Beowulfmon do.

This is only really true earlier in the series, back when the partner Digimon were relatively young. By the Dark Masters arc we see two separate occasions where Ultimate-level digimon are able to put up a decent fight against a theoretically much more powerful Mega, first when Zudomon deals a crippling blow to MetalEtemon's otherwise-impenetrable body, and secondly when several Ultimates destroy Puppetmon's hammer, which put him at a severe disadvantage.

In general, Digimon who are partnered with humans tend become stronger at a much faster rate than unpaired or "wild" Digimon, to the point where they can sometimes take down Digimon of a higher level once they've gained enough experience.

edited 29th Sep '16 9:19:33 PM by Zennistrad

There's always been an element of Digimon that's weird and esoteric compared to other mons shows. For everyone that gets just gets bigger as it evolves, you've got something like Marine Angemon who's wildly different from other Ultimates, or Tailmon who's a different creature at every stage of evolution.

That's why I like Dai Penmon. It captures the spirit of that and is a lot more creative than him turning into a bigger "bad ass" ice monster.

So...what is the Ultimate level of the Agunimon line again? I know that BurningGreymon is considered Ultimate-Class in the card game, but the Xros Wars manga had the Agunimon in that digivolve straight into Aldamon instead.

It varies from media to media. Sometimes Agnimon is treated as functionally identical to an Adult, other times it's a Perfect or something else. Same goes for other forms.

Bolgmon is an Ultimate/Mega in the Digimon Accel, as another specific example. You just have to accept Xros and Hybrid Digimon operate by their own rules.

Really though other Hybrids not having an equivalent to Flamon or Strabimon isn't actually as much an oversight as you'd assume, given the lore says those aren't pre-evolutions so much as Agnimon and Wolfmon that had lost their strength.

edited 29th Sep '16 10:42:51 PM by TFRazorsaw

So the new anime is airing in less than two hours. Here's hoping we get subs soon.

Wait. Applimon is today?

Wow.

Yep. It airs at 6PM EST on Fridays so 7AM in Japan. First episode airs in just over half an hour but nobody has announced that they're doing subs yet.

That's interesting. For some reason, I didn't realize it was going to start so soon.

I saw the premiere.

It's a solid start, I think. They really stress how Haru is different from past protags, by having him kind of rebuke Gatchmon's attempts to partner with him (even hiding under the covers at one point). There's even a shot of his best friend playing soccer to stress how HE'S the one you expect to be a protagonist, with Haru even getting smacked in the face with a ball immediately after. But then the end indicates Yujin has a dark secret?

Gatchmon's a fun partner. He's mostly played up as a foil to Haru, being more energetic and a go-getter. He's got a bit of Shoutmon in him. Haru seems to have a role in battle, using Gatchmon's search abilities to find an opponent's weakness. There's this fun bit where Gatchmon is trying to get Haru to be his partner and... somehow digs up and displays Haru's personal information for people to see. It's pretty funny.

There's prolly gonna be a formula of "stop the infected Appmon and gain their chip as thanks". Haru is also being observed by Cameramon for some reason, and they come out mentioning Leviathan as the threat pretty early. So there's a lot of seeds being laid for future plot threads.

Ending theme may be hinting at a place like the Digital World? It's unclear.

is it okay to post links to the OP and ED?

edited 30th Sep '16 4:20:27 PM by TFRazorsaw

This sounds like Mega Man Battle Network but with Digimon.

Toei put the first episode up: http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/appmon/

Now that I've seen the first episode, I can't help but comment on how much it reminds me of Hunters. Time will tell if they've improved on the concept.

The similarities to Hunters seem to just be similar concepts. There's already hints of an overall plot, which Hunters seemed to only find three fourths of the way in. :P

That's good to hear.

Hunter had potential, but it tried to be a sequel to Xros Wars, which hurt both series. If Applimon is trying to be it's own thing and does Hunters better then Hunters, all the more power to it.

In the last few years I've become soured on XW in a big way. But there are numerous instances of Applimonsters that seem like "XW, but handled better".

Touya from Tamer Union did a review: http://www.digimonworld.org/2016/10/appmon-episode-1-review-search-results.html

I still like it, but I can get if people are unimpressed by the series as a whole, and not just Young Hunters.

It made a lot of changes.

I have no problem with the changes. I'm okay with Digimon changing stuff. That's something I encourage.

But its plot is a clusterhug, the character focus is all over the place, there are tons of characters but only a few of them are used well or consistently, and the overall narrative smacks of outside interference.

And if you're gonna change stuff, make it consistent. That's what I like about Applimonsters; there's already "rules" and "structure" for it. Meanwhile, the "rules" of Digi Xros seem to change frequently (Nene being needed to form X5 WITH Taiki? sure, fi- oh, wait, he can do it himself. Sure why not)

Kiriha's characterization is inconsistent, Nene is built up and wasted, and... when you really think of it, there's no reason why Zenjirou and Akari couldn't have had Xros Loaders from the start, given how they introduced Double Xros later.

Xros Wars is just a mess. I love all the characters, but... it's just kind of all over the place.

edited 2nd Oct '16 9:49:25 AM by TFRazorsaw