Too many tropes being labeled "Medium-specific"?:

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126 Spark915th May 2012 12:05:45 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
In a recent TRS thread, it was decided to delete all non-wrestling examples from X-Pac Heat, making it a medium-specific trope. What do the people in this thread think of such ideas?
Special trousers. Very heroic.
127 SeptimusHeap15th May 2012 12:08:28 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
[up]I think that tropes should be made medium-specific only if:
  • They are technically restricted to one medium
  • The trope usage and meaning strongly differ between media
  • There are other reasons (in X-Pac Heat, it would be even more a complaining page if expnded to non-wrestling stuff)
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
I just now came across Sequel Goes Foreign. All the examples seem to be from Film, and it's on the Film Tropes index, but I can't see anything that requires it to be film-specific.

I found it while looking for a trope describing the change in the comic book American Flagg, which changed its locale to Russia for its second series.
129 Madrugada3rd Aug 2012 07:20:29 PM , Relationship Status: In season
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In that sort of case, I suspect that it got labeled Film specific because no one came up with any examples from media other than films while it was being hammered out. I know that I don't tend to think of books as "sequels", TV shows don't really have "sequels" and it wouldn't have occurred to me that comic book series could be considered "sequels".
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
130 Xtifr3rd Aug 2012 09:42:16 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
I know that I don't tend to think of books as "sequels"
Wow, really? Books is the first thing I think of when I hear "sequel". The Hobbit -> The Lord of the Rings is a rather obvious example, I think. For that matter, The Return of Tarzan was a sequel to Tarzan of the Apes, although that one ended up turning into a whole series. I could probably fill a whole page with literary sequels. Many written decades after the original, by different writers.

TV shows don't really have "sequels"
I suppose it depends on whether you consider "spin-off" to be a type of sequel or not. I probably would.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
131 Deboss3rd Aug 2012 09:42:17 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Comic books have sequels, they're just called Volumes. A lot of comics are divided that way, but mostly along reboots and arcs.

Hm, Video Games might do something similar.
Rampage World Tour seems like a good video game example of Sequel Goes Foreign, off the top of my head.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
133 RJSavoy6th Aug 2012 04:51:53 AM from Edinburgh , Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Reymmă
We use on this wiki "sequel" in all mediums. Just look at Sequel Displacement. I think the definition we use is that it is a successor work with the same continuity and similar characters, setting and production, but unlike a series, the first work has a self-contained overarching story. (Not an episodic format in a lasting setting, or an open continuity with dangling plot threads.)
134 lu1272nd Dec 2012 10:07:22 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
The Seven Mysteries is only indexed in Japanese Media Tropes and has only anime and video game examples, but aren't seven mysteries a really common thing around the globe?
135 Madrugada2nd Dec 2012 10:17:27 AM , Relationship Status: In season
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Not really. Or rather, I don't know of a regularly-used device of there being seven mysteries as a significant thing. That one may well be Japanese-culture-specific, rather than Anime and Manga genre-specific.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
136 shimaspawn2nd Dec 2012 10:19:45 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
The number 7 shows up a lot in other media, but the mystery variation is very Japanese specific. I've never seen it in a work that wasn't Japanese in origin. It's just a weird Japanese culture thing.

edited 2nd Dec '12 10:20:19 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
137 Madrugada2nd Dec 2012 10:22:47 AM , Relationship Status: In season
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So then Japanese-specific, and given that we have very few editors who are familiar with Japanese works outside of anime and manga (and a few movies and even fewer books), it winds up looking genre-specific?
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
138 shimaspawn2nd Dec 2012 10:25:05 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
Pretty much. We just don't tend to get many examples from Japanese media that's not anime/manga/video games.

It's basically just a stock Japanese urban legend/ghost story format. Which is very tropable, just very cultural specific.

I added it to horror tropes and mystery tropes.

edited 2nd Dec '12 10:28:56 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
139 Oreochan4th Dec 2012 11:24:19 AM from Pennsylvania
Is School Girl Rival actually specific to anime as the description implies?
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
140 shimaspawn4th Dec 2012 11:27:30 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
I don't think so. I don't think it's even specific to school girls either. The general trope is one character declares themselves to be another character's rival without really letting them have a say in the matter. Often times their "rival" doesn't even care about them or their progress or how things stack up. It's more of a One Sided Rivalry.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
141 Oreochan4th Dec 2012 11:52:09 AM from Pennsylvania
So, it's either a variation of Unknown Rival or a Sister Trope to it?
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
142 shimaspawn4th Dec 2012 11:59:21 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] No, it's pretty much Unknown Rival. That trope just has a horrible name seeing as most of the time they aren't Unknown. It's just painfully One Sided.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
Yeah, it seems pretty clear that Schoolgirl Rival is just "Unknown Rival, But In Japan".

I think "Unknown Rival" is an OK name, personally. It's not that, (e.g. from the page) the Los Angeles Dodgers are unaware of the existence of the San Diego Padres, who they play a dozen times a year or whatever. They are, however, unaware of the sense of intense rivalry SD feels for LA, because it's not reciprocal.

edited 6th Dec '12 4:15:46 AM by suedenim

144 MacronNotes24th Mar 2013 12:20:07 AM , Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
Phlebotinum Girl as currently written is rather anime-specific. Is it really?
145 SeptimusHeap24th Mar 2013 02:18:14 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
That description (aside for using way too much fluff for a simple concept and starting the description with a lot of irrelevant material) looks very general to me.
146 lu12724th Mar 2013 02:42:23 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Doesn't seem to be an anime thing.
147 XFllo1st Apr 2013 09:36:52 PM from Prague , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Fist Of Enthusiasm mentions it's an anime/manga stock pose. No way! I know very little about anime/manga, but I think the trope is when somebody says Big "YES!" and makes the move with the fist. Seen It a Million Times. What say you? It seems to have been launched since November. I wouldn't be opposed of sending it back to ykttw where it could collect more examples from various media. It has now 8 examples only, and I checked ykttw archived discussion. It was launched with one hat only.

edited 1st Apr '13 9:38:19 PM by XFllo

148 SeptimusHeap2nd Apr 2013 06:23:40 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Yeah, that is not Japan specific. I remember it coming up in our Anime Tropes thread.
149 Madrugada2nd Apr 2013 06:28:13 AM , Relationship Status: In season
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Not anime or manga specific at all. Look at the page image for Ham and Cheese...
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
150 XFllo4th Apr 2013 03:48:07 PM from Prague , Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
So what would be the best way to fix it? I suggested to run it again through ykttw at the forum, but it's true that Fist Of Enthusiasm is a trope that was launched a long time ago and it's not a stub. (Must check cross-wicking.) Trope Description Improvement Drive forum? Or run it through a new thread in Short Term Projects and try to collect more example? TRS doesn't seem necessary.

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