DEATH BATTLE

In what way is it discounting them? Do Odinforce or Rune King Thor have speed feats that outperform Wonder Woman's feat of catching all those pieces of the dude traveling at light speed?

That's appropriate. There are a lot of people who might be impressed to meet Heracles. An Amazon is probably not one of them, depending on which version of the Ninth Labor you're using.

edited 19th Oct '17 9:30:51 AM by TobiasDrake

If I recall correctly, the merging of the two universes was making Marvel and DC characters act violent, so Diana and Hercules might have been more amicable had they met under different circumstances.

wasn't that Hera's fault?

It's Hera's fault that Heracles murdered his wife and kids in a fit of blood-frenzy. I've never heard it attributed as Hera's fault that Heracles raped and/or murdered Hippolyta, the queen of the Amazons.

There's another version of the story that Heracles got on great with Hippolyta, they became fast friends, and she gave him the MacGuffin because she thought he was the most awesome guy ever. But if Diana's holding a grudge, that's clearly not the version we're going with.

edited 19th Oct '17 11:54:40 AM by TobiasDrake

At least not in DC.

Marvel didn't use that version either, but he didn't rape her either.

Odin Force thor was eventually gonna be stronger then his daddy, who's fight against Seth echoed across every plane of reality◊, Shattering Galaxies and reigniting suns with their attacks◊, The scale of the fight itself◊ Confirmed by◊ multiple characters◊ With Odin having been weakened during most of the fight◊. Odinforce Thor would be stronger then that.

Rune King Thor, on the other hand, well, became One with the universe itself and went into Thorsleep/ odinsleep. Unless you're above that, you can't really get much stronger in the mortal plane.

edited 19th Oct '17 12:01:17 PM by Demongodofchaos2

Sure, but we're talking about speed, not energy output. How fast is he demonstrably?

If your attacks can be on a multigalaxy level, the speed of the attacks to do so its astronomical

Regular thor was able to send an executioner and enchantress back to Asgard just by making a whirlwind and Hurled Loki from earth to Asgard in one panel.

Some version of the Heracles myth split the difference and have he and the Amazons getting along great until Hera appears among them pretending to be an Amazon and convinces them that he's here to kidnap the queen. This allows the myth to have the violent resolution of the first version without it being Heracles' fault.

Anyway, Marvel's Hercules is a pretty decent guy (at least once he stopped being a Thor villain), while DC's Heracles is permanently trapped in a mythic cycle of transgression, penance, and redemption that can see his persona radically altered depending on which stage of the cycle he's in. When in the first stage he raped Hippolyta, earning him Diana's ire, and in the modern day he's committed various other villainous acts while suffering from one of his fits of madness and/or douchbaggery, usually bringing him into conflict with Wonder Woman.

edited 19th Oct '17 12:10:51 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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edited 19th Oct '17 12:13:11 PM by Demongodofchaos2

What's funny is that in the Marvel universe, given Herc's reaction to Diana's mention of Hippolyta, the version of the myth where Herc got her girdle consensually is canon.

Naturally, Diana didn't know this and thought Herc was either lying or being a smug prick about the time he raped her mother, so she beat his ass.

Actually, I'm pretty sure he stole it from her in the Marvel version.

The version mixing the two is the way I'd always heard it when I grew up.

Welp.

'Relationship status: Its complicated'

edited 20th Oct '17 5:25:00 AM by Bocaj

In the latest of my "West vs East" series of hypothetical match-ups, in thiiiiiss cornnneeeer...

VERSUS

Who toonforces harder? Can either actually be beaten?

edited 21st Oct '17 12:27:26 PM by Soble

If it would be funniest then yes.

I give a slight edge to Bobobo, since Uncle Grandpa never really fights while Bobobo is from an action comedy.

Ugh.

I watched the latest DB Cast, and Ben addressed the question as to why they put Ichigo against Naruto instead of Yusuke. He agreed that it was a good match, but so many more people asked Naruto vs Ichigo that they went with it instead.

I dislike this show's fanbase sometimes.

Because you didn't get the fight you want?

I guess it's because Naruto and Bleach were kinda rival during their height of popularity.

I know how you feel. I'd suggested Ichigo vs. Saber.

edited 22nd Oct '17 6:48:05 AM by Arawn999

I'm not surprised. Death Battle is basically fanservice on an extravagant level, so taking suggestions would be in character.

But they didn't do Frieza versus Mewtwo.

edited 22nd Oct '17 7:10:12 AM by Blurring

They technically did that as a OMM fight, back when OMM was partnered with Screw Attack.

I'm not sure what the theme on that would be. Apart from kinda sorta looking like each other if you turn your head and squint, there is zero overlap between the planet-killing galactic emperor real estate tycoon and a bioweapon Pokemon Gone Horribly Right.

Shit, Mewtwo would actually have much more in common with Cell, now that I think about it.

Cell would effortlessly stomp Mewtwo, but so would Frieza so that's already being ignored from consideration for determining such a matchup anyway.

edited 22nd Oct '17 7:43:23 AM by TobiasDrake

They also have similar looking energy ball attacks.

Isn't Mewtwo's energy ball attack a handheld projectile made of, like, black lightning and shit?

Frieza only has one spherical energy attack and it's his Death Ball; a colossal sphere of glowing red energy he forms above his head to destroy a planet, similar in its visual aesthetic to an evil Genki-Dama.

They're both balls made of energy, but that's where the similarities end.