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51 shimaspawn14th Jul 2011 09:11:32 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] This is very true. Anything that we rename this too is going to make the misuse worse. Super Boobs especially is horrible. That sounds like a 'boobs I like' trope.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
That's exactly my point. I'm against a rename just for that fact.

The trope is supposedly going hand-in-hand with how a superpowered female somehow gains a perfect body (or already had one to start with). Jubilee is not an exception: she proves the rule, as does Kitty Pryde. Their entire purposes were to be the teen sidekick (to the same guy, even). Other examples which prove the rule are Spoiler, nearly every female member of Young Justice, Generation X, New Mutants and Teen Titans (until they grow up), and so on.

In fact, having studied as a commercial artist, I can tell you that comic book companies (such as Marvel) actually impose the attitude that if you're drawing a superheroic woman that is supposed to be larger than life, then her body is supposed to support that. She's supposed to be iconic to look at. Likewise, if the girl is a teenager, you have to make her smaller and plain in order to reflect that. This isn't just a trope, but an Enforced Trope within the industry.

And Japanese media is no different. Most flat-chested women are either supporting characters or Staff Chicks or Lolis. The super-powerful women (that is, the ones who get down and dirty on the front lines) are usually buxom. (Even here, this is not always the case, as Rukia and Orihime from Bleach are inversions. Almost every woman from Fairy Tail plays this straight as an arrow, though, as do half of the female cast from Naruto.)

Yeah, I think renaming this trope would be a terrible, terrible mistake that would pretty much destroy the only thing that makes it different from the other boob tropes.
53 32_Footsteps14th Jul 2011 09:38:51 AM from Just north of Arkham , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
If you have written guidelines about that, I think those should actually be mentioned on the trope page - that's valuable to know.

@49 Black Widow doesn't have any super powers, though. None at all. You can't really say that she has the trope when she's explicitly not powered at all.
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54 shimaspawn14th Jul 2011 09:39:35 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
She might not have Super Powers, but she's still a Super Hero just like Batman is. The trope doesn't require true superpowers. Just superheroes.

edited 14th Jul '11 9:40:19 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
You can check out books like How To Draw Comics The Marvel Way.

edited 14th Jul '11 10:06:52 AM by KingZeal

[up][up][up][up] Um no there are a lot of flat and averaged breasted superpowered females in Bleach. Technically, just about any female who's a shigami is superhero. Some obviously more powerful than others but they all have access to a Zanpakutō.

edited 14th Jul '11 9:56:53 AM by captainpat

57 shimaspawn14th Jul 2011 10:02:54 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] This is very true. Anime is much more taste the rainbow for superpowers. That's why the trope is limited to Western style Superheros and not people with superpowers in general.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
You're missing the point.

Once more, here is a picture of pretty most female body types in Bleach. This is fan art, but it is damn accurate:

[[Bleach Girls http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=629&pictureid=2101]]

Plenty of girls are not shown (Hinamori, any Arrancar, Ukitake's 3rd seat, Yuchiru, etc.) but that's splitting hairs. For every Wonder Woman in DC comics, we also have a Cloud 9. smile

Even if you go into loli/moe-based work like Arcana Heart or Nanoha, you're comparing apples and oranges. If the girls in questions are teens or younger, then they don't even qualify for comparison.

edited 14th Jul '11 10:09:56 AM by KingZeal

59 shimaspawn14th Jul 2011 10:09:39 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
So, A, DD, D, D, D, B, C, B, D, DD, D.

Yes, it's higher than average, but it's not universally D and over.

Also, Cloud 9 is jailbait. She doesn't count as per the whole children are not drawn with large breasts in Western comics because it's creepy.

edited 14th Jul '11 10:11:10 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Now you really are splitting hairs.

[1] I don't see much difference between the women in this pic than the Bleach lineup.

And yes, that was my entire point with Cloud 9.

edited 14th Jul '11 10:13:15 AM by KingZeal

61 shimaspawn14th Jul 2011 10:13:41 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] And the only women on there with small chests are teenagers or from the fourties before the trope became a thing. That 70 years thing isn't for show. They didn't use the trope that long ago. That's drawing classic characters that haven't been seen in years without giving them a size update.

edited 14th Jul '11 10:14:52 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
[up] And If I knew I any who any of those old fourties character were I can almost guarantee that their modern depiction are much more busty
[up][up]What.

Yeah, again, typically the only characters that are noticeably small in anime are teenagers themselves. But even characters like Orihime are exceptions to that rule. You will find more teenage girls with big busts (used as sex objects) in Japanese media than you will in Western media. The trope is very much alive there; it's just that their cast of characters are usually much younger.

And also, you can't make that "they're not updated" argument when the the trope has been Enforced since at LEAST the seventies.

edited 14th Jul '11 10:21:15 AM by KingZeal

64 shimaspawn14th Jul 2011 10:26:18 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] And characters that went out of fashion in the golden age, long before that, never got any larger because they haven't been drawn since long before the 70s. The character design on the top left corner, that's obviously 50's style. About two decades too early.

edited 14th Jul '11 10:27:18 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
That's Miss America, and no, she hasn't been around for a while.

So, let's test that with The Wasp, who's been around since thd 60s (she's in the top-right corner).

Avengers Forever The Wasp

Secret Invasion (I think) The Wasp

Ultimate Wasp

Now let's look at another character from the 40s. Let's go with DC's version of Miss America. Miss America, 40s

Surely, she's gotten larger over the years, right?

Not terribly.

edited 14th Jul '11 10:39:03 AM by KingZeal

66 shimaspawn14th Jul 2011 10:56:29 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
She's gone from a B to a D. That's two full cup sizes since her début.

Wasp varies Depending on the Artist.

edited 14th Jul '11 10:56:59 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
[up][up] Well she's not Miss America anymore, she's Miss Cosmos. As for Wasp, she's looking pretty busty (slightly NSFW), I could even show a busty depiction of Ultimate Wasp but it's really gruesome. However there was that incident where she flashed the hulk (Slighty NSFW)

Also spilting hairs? There are eleven character's in that bleach fanart (not official), only 8 them, in the official are actually busty in the official art and Ukitake's 3rd seat is actually in that picture.

edited 14th Jul '11 11:02:21 AM by captainpat

That wasn't what you said when I posted the Bleach girls. You said "they're all above average, but not universally D". Then, when I posted pics of comic book women with different sizes, you're saying it's Depending on the Artist.

No kidding. Kind of like how Chun-Li's entire body structure changes from game to game? Or how Lady from DMC went from about an A to C cups at least?

Seriously, can we stop splitting hairs? Yes, it's Depending on the Artist. It's also depending on the age, context, costume, etc, etc. This entire trope is basically oddly specific, and while American superheroines exemplify it best (they fit the right costume and age requirements most of the time) , it is NOT exclusive to them.

[up] Yeah, but we also didn't have Haribel and her Amazon Brigade, Nel, Cirucci, or several other characters. For the most part, when those women are adults, they are busty.

Also, didn't know that about Miss America/Cosmos. And the Wasp pics are basically bikini shots and only enforce the Depending on the Artist point.

edited 14th Jul '11 11:12:16 AM by KingZeal

[up] Not spiting hairs. The point of the trope is that superheroines in the western superhero genre almost always (or at the very least at some point in the official work) have big breasts. Now are there works in other genres or categories of media that feature busty superheriones? yes, but unlike the western superhero genre it's not an a overwhelming majority.

A comparison would be Heroes Prefer Swords, the main character in an rpg almost always uses a sword. Are there works in other genres or categories of media that have their hero use swords? yes, but unlike the rpg genre it's not an overwhelming majority of the time.

Also as far as bleach goes of Haribel and her Amazon Brigade, Cyan Sung-Sun isn't busty, outside that neither is Lisa, Yoshino Sōma, Yoshi, Mashiro Kuna, Nanao Ise or most of the background female Shinigami. Now, do a lot of female characters in bleach have big breasts? Yes. Is it an overwhelming in that specific work? No. Is it an overwhelming majority for works in the same genre or type of media as bleach? No.

This trope only works it's viewed aggregate I.E the sum of all the works in a specific genre.

The only thing I'm getting from the discussion is that artists use breast size to show age, which is probably a popular practice in both east and west.

I see this in IP threads all the time, someone will suggest an anime pic of an averaged sized woman and someone will respond saying she looks 14 and it's creepy.

The Bleach ones all seem to follow, if they can pass for an Highschool Student they're average, if it's clearly an adult they're bigger.

Even loli vampire transformations are just a head taller and C-cups = adult.

BTW DMC 3 and 4 are at least 10 years apart, that's probably the way they chose to show it.
71 shimaspawn14th Jul 2011 01:03:03 PM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] But in Western comics, characters that aren't superheroes have normal sized chests. The children don't have large chests is the only big exception to superheroines have large chests.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
72 32_Footsteps14th Jul 2011 01:11:30 PM from Just north of Arkham , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
[up]Well, not the only one... there's usually at least one character (like Jubilee or Wolfsbane) that'll get introduced in a team book that will have more normal proportions, and the age isn't always brought up as the reason why (it wasn't with Wolfsbane).

Of course, it's worth noting that a good chunk of the time, Count Rackula comes by in the middle of the night (conveniently when a new artist takes over) and sucks the flatness out of them.
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I think that's more of focal character thing, the superheroes have alot more time put into their designs, someone said something like this a few posts up, so by design they have big breast even before putting on the costume(yes there are exceptions)

In comics like the old Young Justice the girls had breasts which kept growing, but characters that aren't superheroes like their Mothers and teachers were still usually bigger.

During Cass Cains time as Batgirl their were lots of normal women with bigger racks but the suit really emphasized hers.

edited 14th Jul '11 1:36:35 PM by No9

74 Deboss14th Jul 2011 03:59:15 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Well, I've seen that main characters, like the love interests, having large chests seems to be normal.
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edited 14th Jul '11 10:55:49 PM by Vyctorian

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