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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#196076: Jun 27th 2017 at 9:51:01 PM

@Raddishes: It's more like the bill strips insurance from millions of (largely poor) Americans, while making sure to keep Congressmen covered.

I'm sure you'd find a strong positive correlation in the voting records of Congressmen who voted against minimum wage increases and for Congressional salary boosts.

It's been fun.
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (USA) (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#196077: Jun 27th 2017 at 10:09:41 PM

Climate Science Meets a Stubborn Obstacle: Students

To Gwen Beatty, a junior at the high school in this proud, struggling, Trump-supporting town, the new science teacher’s lessons on climate change seemed explicitly designed to provoke her.

So she provoked him back.

When the teacher, James Sutter, ascribed the recent warming of the Earth to heat-trapping gases released by burning fossil fuels like the coal her father had once mined, she asserted that it could be a result of other, natural causes.

When he described the flooding, droughts and fierce storms that scientists predict within the century if such carbon emissions are not sharply reduced, she challenged him to prove it. “Scientists are wrong all the time,” she said with a shrug, echoing those celebrating President Trump’s announcement last week that the United States would withdraw from the Paris climate accord.

When Mr. Sutter lamented that information about climate change had been removed from the White House website after Mr. Trump’s inauguration, she rolled her eyes.

“It’s his website,” she said.

For his part, Mr. Sutter occasionally fell short of his goal of providing Gwen — the most vocal of a raft of student climate skeptics — with calm, evidence-based responses. “Why would I lie to you?” he demanded one morning. “It’s not like I’m making a lot of money here.”

...

As more of the nation’s teachers seek to integrate climate science into the curriculum, many of them are reckoning with students for whom suspicion of the subject is deeply rooted.

In rural Wellston, a former coal and manufacturing town seeking its next act, rejecting the key findings of climate science can seem like a matter of loyalty to a way of life already under siege. Originally tied, perhaps, to economic self-interest, climate skepticism has itself become a proxy for conservative ideals of hard work, small government and what people here call “self-sustainability.”

Assiduously promoted by fossil fuel interests, that powerful link to a collective worldview largely explains why just 22 percent of Mr. Trump’s supporters in a 2016 poll said they believed that human activity is warming the planet, compared with half of all registered voters. And the prevailing outlook among his base may in turn have facilitated the president’s move to withdraw from the global agreement to battle rising temperatures.

“What people ‘believe’ about global warming doesn’t reflect what they know,” Dan Kahan, a Yale researcher who studies political polarization, has stressed in talks, papers and blog posts. “It expresses who they are.”

But public-school science classrooms are also proving to be a rare place where views on climate change may shift, research has found. There, in contrast with much of adult life, it can be hard to entirely tune out new information.

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.
RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#196079: Jun 27th 2017 at 11:07:42 PM

Did anyone else besides me see the press briefing where the reporter directly challenged Miss Sanders (can't remember the rest of her name and she is in no way related to Bernie far as I know.) and got into an argument with her about the White House's treatment of the press? It's nice to see someone make their case finally, but I'm not sure there will be long term effects.

Edit: I have empathy for Mr Sutter. It can't be easy dealing with dumb questions from stubborn teens.

edited 27th Jun '17 11:08:52 PM by AceofSpades

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#196080: Jun 27th 2017 at 11:46:35 PM

Unfortunately education is no cure for terminal idiocy.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
I-Teleported-Bread Since: Jul, 2016
#196081: Jun 28th 2017 at 12:53:06 AM

uhh so has anyone hear about the whole net neutrality thing?

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#196082: Jun 28th 2017 at 2:55:00 AM

I can't be too harsh because, years ago, I was one of those dumb teenagers who thought global warming was just the natural warming and cooling cycle of the planet. To past me's credit, I didn't hear it from Trump, but I read it in a very well-written article on the internet that seemed to have a lot of evidence and sources backing it up.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#196083: Jun 28th 2017 at 3:04:09 AM

That article does end on a somewhat high note, since the teacher was apparently able to convince most of his students in the end. Even the most stubborn one seems less sure of herself in the end and just seemed like she didn't want to talk about it anymore.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#196084: Jun 28th 2017 at 4:25:48 AM

This is why it's crucial to have the ability to make good, solid, effectively-worded arguments in support of positions, rather than just dismissing everyone who disagrees as an idiot (even if they are). If you can't convince a high-school student who is required to spend 80 minutes listening to you for 5 days a week, you can't convince anybody.

The evidence for climate change is there, but we need to be able to present it clearly and convincingly to a non-scientific audience, not just say "99% of climate scientists agree this is happening".

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#196085: Jun 28th 2017 at 4:38:24 AM

@AceOfSpades

Here's a clip of that reporter. Don't know much about specifics but apparently the reporter that called her out was from Playboy, of all things.

edited 28th Jun '17 4:39:39 AM by sgamer82

Zendervai Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy from St. Catharines Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
#196086: Jun 28th 2017 at 5:32:13 AM

Considering that places like Teen Vogue, Buzzfeed and GQ keep coming out with really hard hitting, incredibly critical articles (and videos in the case of GQ, they're the ones employing Keith Olbermann right now) with a laser-sharp focus on showing exactly what's wrong with the current administration, its not actually that surprising that Playboy is in there. I mean, that's the magazine where the standard excuse is "I read it for the articles"...which presumably means that the articles are actually pretty good because otherwise no one would use that excuse.

Not Three Laws compliant.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#196087: Jun 28th 2017 at 5:35:19 AM

On the climate change denial, I've read that contrary to popular perception, people are more likely to be skeptical about it the higher their education. It's about a 50/50 split between people with college educations (in the U.S.) while going decidedly in favor of belief, and human cause, with high school or less.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#196088: Jun 28th 2017 at 5:39:39 AM

Re: Teen Vogue. I'm both surprised and very happy that magazines like that are becoming more politically charged. It makes it easier to get young people more politically literate early on when that sort of news is found in publications they'd be reading anyway.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Zendervai Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy from St. Catharines Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
#196089: Jun 28th 2017 at 5:45:52 AM

There was an interview about a year back with the head editor of Teen Vogue where her position was pretty much "Just because they're teens who are interested in fashion and makeup doesn't mean they shouldn't also be able to pay attention to politics".

Although it's apparently been like that for a while. When I looked it up, I found references to Teen Vogue being mostly mindless fluff with several extremely well-researched and hard hitting articles mixed up all the way back in 2012.

edited 28th Jun '17 5:47:05 AM by Zendervai

Not Three Laws compliant.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from a handcart heading to Hell Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#196090: Jun 28th 2017 at 5:49:02 AM

You actually have to read Playboy for the articles now, they got rid of everything else.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#196091: Jun 28th 2017 at 6:01:13 AM

Didn't they change it back?

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#196092: Jun 28th 2017 at 6:03:46 AM

[up][up] Not really:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38963007

The move was announced by Playboy's new chief creative officer Cooper Hefner, who said the decision to remove nudity entirely "was a mistake".

"Today we're taking our identity back and reclaiming who we are," he tweeted.

The US magazine also promoted its March-April edition with a picture of its playmate of the month with the hashtag #Naked Is Normal.

Some social media users welcomed the U-turn, describing it as a "good call", while others said the decision was taken "because the magazines weren't selling too well. Too bad free porn is still easy to access".

On Monday, Mr Hefner wrote: "I'll be the first to admit that the way in which the magazine portrayed nudity was dated.

"Nudity was never the problem because nudity isn't a problem," added the 25-year-old son of Playboy founder Hugh Hefner.

Something on-topic: How is the run-in between the USS Fitzgerald and that Philippine container ship off Japan being received in the US?

[nja] by [up]

edited 28th Jun '17 6:04:11 AM by HallowHawk

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#196093: Jun 28th 2017 at 7:44:38 AM

Remember how I was talking about how much the MRA community and its spinoffs like Trump? A sample. Apparently women are terrified of his "iconic maleness" and the "happy masculinity" of his fanboys. And then there's this:

Iconic Maleness embodied by Trump is the hot branding phallus that penetrates the hunchbacked ids of bitter women and the manginas who are fated to settle for them.

Seems like a nice, well-adjusted group, doesn't it?

Linked through FSTDT so that you don't have to give the actual Chateau Heriste site any links. Also that way, when you're done reading the post and feel this incredible urge to shower, you can turn to the FSTDT comments below it as a form of brainbleach.

edited 28th Jun '17 7:46:28 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#196094: Jun 28th 2017 at 7:46:27 AM

[up]How... delightful. Ugh, I will never get used to reading the crazy ramblings of degenerates.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#196095: Jun 28th 2017 at 7:47:19 AM

[up]What's truly horrifying to remember is that sites like the one that quote is from have subscribers and that those subscribers can vote.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#196096: Jun 28th 2017 at 7:53:49 AM

Uh, Ok. Do these people use so many made up words to make themselves look more intelligent?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#196098: Jun 28th 2017 at 7:58:11 AM

[up][up][up]That is terrible.

[up][up]Absolutely, it makes them appear more legitimate to a certain kind of stupid.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#196099: Jun 28th 2017 at 8:00:24 AM

The content in that post was so edgy, I could taste the stale Cheetos and Mountain Dew. This is emblematic of the neckbeard demog in the Orange Horde.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#196100: Jun 28th 2017 at 8:05:51 AM

Okay, so from what I can infer all these neckbeards/MRA hatred of women basically extends from them feeling entitled to having sex with any woman they want, and being rejected has caused them to lash out at the rest of the world?

Sound about right?

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