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Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#95701: Jul 1st 2015 at 8:12:18 AM

XKCD's mouse-hover captions never disappoint.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#95703: Jul 1st 2015 at 12:38:18 PM

Though odd thought - does Mexico have Freedom of Speech? At least to the same level the US does? Because he has no legal ground to argue with here (except maybe breach-of-contract), but it might be even more laughable depending on Mexican laws regarding it.

As for the guns/religion thing - Ace, look up "God, Guns, & some third thing" online. There's a TON of that in the US.

Also, I managed to pin down precisely what bugged me about various media reactions to the inmates being re-captured and one killed - I recently started watching Deadman Wonderland, and it was disturbing how similar the reactions in Real Life were to how the audience responded to seeing inmates die during the "Dog Race" in episode 2. When you resemble a work of Dystopian fiction, that's not a good sign.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Parable State of Mind from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
State of Mind
#95704: Jul 1st 2015 at 1:00:59 PM

Mexican law has nothing to do with it. Univision is an American network.

"What a century this week has been." - Seung Min Kim
PotatoesRock The Potato's Choice Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: I know
The Potato's Choice
#95705: Jul 1st 2015 at 1:53:27 PM

de Blasio denounces Andrew Cuomo, accusing him of intentionally hurting New York City out of pettiness, "game-playing" and a desire for "Revenge".

(Basically for those unaware, the current Governor of New York is a Democrat, who basically backstabs other Democrats regularly to align with Republicans in hopes of being the "Centrist" Democrat President in the next few election cycles.)

edited 1st Jul '15 1:55:02 PM by PotatoesRock

Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. - Douglas Adams
BonsaiForest a collection of small trees from the woods (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
a collection of small trees
#95706: Jul 1st 2015 at 2:00:14 PM

Briefly read an article about Democrats being glad that Trump is rising in the polls among Republicans, since it gives them an opportunity to make the party look like he represents it.

I'm up for joining Discord servers! PM me if you know any good ones!
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (USA) (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#95707: Jul 1st 2015 at 2:09:11 PM

[up][up] Yeah, Cuomo is a major league douchebag.

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#95708: Jul 1st 2015 at 2:14:16 PM

Fuck Cuomo, de Blasio is the shit. Would love it if he were Sanders' VP.

Lorsty Since: Feb, 2010
#95709: Jul 1st 2015 at 3:01:05 PM

Though odd thought - does Mexico have Freedom of Speech?
We do! (Well, sort of). Article 6 of our constitution states that:

"Free speech shall be restricted neither judicially nor administratively, but when it represent an attack to public morality or individual rights as well as when it produces a criminal offence or disturbs the public order; the right to information shall be enforced by the State."

And Article 7 also has some important bits:

"The freedom to write and publish writings on any subjects is inviolable. Neither laws, nor authorities shall execute any kind of previous censorship. [...] Neither laws, nor authorities shall restrict the freedom of speech executed through publishing printed materials. [...]"

In theory this means the government can only restrict freedom of speech in special cases, like terrorism. In practice... eh... let's not talk about that.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#95710: Jul 1st 2015 at 3:28:43 PM

[up]To be fair, I think that's technically true of the United States, as well (if I understand what you mean when you say that). For example, one cannot shout "fire" in a crowded theater or discuss that they're planning to kill the president.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#95711: Jul 1st 2015 at 6:29:09 PM

Getting caught discussing plans to kill the president would probably get the authorities on you in any country really.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#95713: Jul 1st 2015 at 9:40:10 PM

Fun fact, in the manga Gamble Fish (starring a charcter named Tomu) there's an Obama expy.

The principle antagonist of the series shoots him in the head!

Don't worry, he ends up being just fine.

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#95716: Jul 2nd 2015 at 6:32:24 AM

My god, is the entire Republican party running for president?!?

You'd think already having 20+ candidates would discourage people from throwing their hat into the ring.

edited 2nd Jul '15 6:33:43 AM by nightwyrm_zero

Zendervai Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy from St. Catharines Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
#95717: Jul 2nd 2015 at 6:37:45 AM

At this rate we're going to have Donald Trump being the Republican runner, if only because the enormous number of candidates will dilute the votes in the primary.

Not Three Laws compliant.
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#95718: Jul 2nd 2015 at 7:02:47 AM

San Francisco treats black suspects and defendants unfairly, may have over 3,000 cases with evidence tainted by racist and corrupt cops

A study conducted by the W. Haywood Burns Institute, a nonprofit dedicated to criminal justice equality, and published last week in a report by the Reentry Council of the City And County of San Francisco, took a close look at criminal justice disparities in the city. It concluded just as in Ferguson, Missouri; Baltimore; and New York City; the differences between the ways in which black and white citizens there interact with law enforcement and courts are shocking. For example, African Americans are 7.1 times as likely as whites to be arrested in San Francisco.

But one of the even more shocking areas of inequality had to do with what happens after arrest — who's released and who ends up behind bars. The Reentry Council concluded that black adults are less likely to be released, although they're more likely than white adults to meet the conditions for release. And this happens at every single step of the process:

Black adults are less likely to be released at all process steps: Black adults are less likely to receive an "other" release (i.e., cited, bailed, and dismissed); less likely than White adults to be released by the duty commissioner; and less likely to be granted pretrial release at arraignment.

Could it be that black people aren't being released because of other factors that weigh against release, like prior felonies or prior misdemeanors? Did education make a difference? No.

The study controlled for these things and found that, no matter how you slice it, black people are more likely to remain in custody while white people are more likely to walk free.

Out of all adults who meet the criteria for pretrial release (the entirety of the SFPDP database):

39 percent of Black adults had prior felony(ies) compared to 26 percent of White adults, however, White adults with a prior felony were almost always more likely to be released at arraignment than Black adults with a prior felony

44 percent of Black adults had prior misdemeanor(s) compared to 45 percent of White adults, however, White adults with a prior misdemeanor were almost always more likely to be released at arraignment than Black adults with a prior misdemeanor; and 62 percent of Black adults had a high school diploma or GED compared to 66 percent of White adults, however, White adults with a HSD/GED were almost always more likely to be released at arraignment than Black adults with a HSD/GED.

Public Defender Jeff Adachi told SF Weekly that the way black San Franciscans are treated — especially when it comes to pretrial release — puts an enormous burden not just on the people who are arrested, but their families and their entire communities.

"There is a direct correlation between being denied pretrial release and being convicted," he said. "People in jail are more likely to plead guilty just to get out, even if they're innocent. Being allowed pretrial release means being able to hold onto your job, your housing—even your children."

"All ni**ers must fucking hang": the text messages

While organizations like the San Francisco Reentry Council are scrutinizing available data to uncover evidence of bias in the city's criminal justice system, San Francisco prosecutors are investigating 3,000 specific criminal cases that may have been compromised by 14 police officers whose biases were revealed by the racist, sexist, and homophobic text messages.

The text messages that sparked the probe were originally uncovered in a court document. In March, prosecutors filed a motion opposing bail for former police officer Ian Furminger, who'd been sentenced on corruption-related charges. The motion listed his text messages — which included racial slurs and stereotypes about African Americans. They argued that the content of the text messages indicated he was not worthy of bail.

The text messages Furminger exchanged with people, including other San Francisco police officers, use racist statements to describe people whom we can assume to be San Francisco residents the officers were charged with serving (in response to a message saying "all ni**ers should be spayed," Furminger replied, "I just saw one an hour ago with 4 kids"), as well as other police officers ("fuckin ni**er" was his response to a colleague's promotion to sergeant).

Gee, I hope my hometown of NYC will be learning its lessons and doing better... oh wait, this week NY Police Commissioner Bill Bratton shot down all 9 reforms proposed by the City Council

Police Commissioner William Bratton renewed his opposition on Monday to a set of proposed regulations on use of force and other policing issues, telling City Council members that the New York Police Department can reform itself.

...

The commissioner labeled nine bills that would outlaw police chokeholds, put restrictions on street stops and require greater disclosure of police records as largely unnecessary, prompting City Councilwoman Vanessa Gibson to comment, “I see we’re batting 0 for 9.”

Much of the proposed legislation came in response to the police chokehold death of Eric Garner and to the NYPD’s widespread use of street stops to fight crime. Critics say the measures are needed in part to repair relations in communities of color where the department is viewed as overaggressive.

The bill that would make using chokeholds a misdemeanor isn’t needed because the department already bans the maneuver, Bratton said.

“We firmly believe that this prohibition should remain a matter of policy rather than become, on its face, a crime,” he said.

Bratton also challenged bills that would require officers to identify themselves to people they stop and inform them they can refuse to be searched, saying the NYPD has already answered concerns by drastically cutting back on the stops and implementing better training.

I particularly like the part about not needing to have any penalties for chokeholds because it's already banned... just like it was banned last year when using a chokehold for the horrific crime of selling loose cigarettes resulted in a needless death and the officer wasn't indicted, despite the ban on using chokes.

Bill Bratton, fuck you.

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#95720: Jul 2nd 2015 at 7:41:00 AM

[up][up]I'd cross post that into the Racism Thread. I'm sure everyone there would enjoy it.

Oh really when?
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#95721: Jul 2nd 2015 at 7:55:12 AM

I kind of made up my mind regarding Christie as soon as he claimed that "we need strength in the Oval Office" - this coming from the same party that has made repeated claims that "Obama's acting like a dictator!"

I can't exactly think of a dictator that could be described as "hand-wringing" or "wishy-washy".

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#95722: Jul 2nd 2015 at 7:58:34 AM

I really do love that bit. Is Obama spineless and incapable of doing anything or is he an iron fisted dictator? He can't be both,

Oh really when?
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#95723: Jul 2nd 2015 at 8:12:47 AM

[up][up][up] Done, along with some extra content not posted here.

And yeah, rightwingers trying to sort out their mutually exclusive claims about Obama is always hilarious.

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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#95724: Jul 2nd 2015 at 8:18:27 AM

Well, you'd start to notice that "Obama is a tyrant" gets applied mostly to domestic stuff while "Obama is weak" gets applied to foreign stuff.

It's like they want a president who lets you do whatever you want while making US number one by beating up the world.

BAFFU Since: Dec, 2012
#95725: Jul 2nd 2015 at 8:52:34 AM

[up] He is also a muslim and an atheist and a jew.


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