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Me's A Crowd has evolved, should we split Self-Duplication power from it?: Mes A Crowd get usage counts

 1 Marq FJA, Sun, 3rd Jul '11 8:16:09 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
As it is currently written, Me's a Crowd is only about a particular use/plot of the power of self-duplication, be it externally induced (i.e. by a machine or a magic spell) or an innate superpower. However, the trope has over time evolved to denote "Self-Duplication as a power/ability". I suggest rewriting the description to match this evolved definition, and if the original description does merit a trope of its own, then it should be into a separate trope with a more appropiate name.

And while we're at it, we should get the ptitle replaced; of the trope's 339 wicks, 327 of them are from the Me's a Crowd redirect. Done.

edited 30th Jul '11 12:05:20 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
Agreed. Unfortunately, I'm crap at descriptions.
 3 Marq FJA, Fri, 8th Jul '11 2:29:25 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Bump.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
Doing the ptitle thing now.

"A person with the power to create tangible copies of themselves."

That's all I've got for a description.
But does the person have to always have this ability. If a specific plot device has this power and it can be used by different people, would it still count? If it's the effect of a magic spell that's only ever used once, would it still count?

I support broadening it to include people who have this power, but I'm concerned about making the original examples incorrect.
 
It is not about the person, it is about duplication. It is about plot, not character. Anything in the article not about that should be moved/cut.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
 8 Marq FJA, Thu, 14th Jul '11 1:20:53 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Why is it called "Me's a Crowd", anyway? It might help us better understand what was supposed to be about.

And I will be quoting the description in all of its brief glory for conveninece:
Through magic or super-technology, the main character decides to get a large number of chores done via copying himself. Expect the original to choose all of the fun things to do when assigning chores around. Hilarity Ensues when the copies rebel or degrade, which results in either (1) at least one Evil Twin, or (2) copies continually being made to the point of risking exposing the Masquerade, or at least ruining the main character's reputation.

These copies rarely count as persons in and of themselves. See Cloning Blues. If they are counted as people, expect Which Me?.

Compare with Doppelgänger Spin, Sorcerer's Apprentice Plot. Not to be confused with I Am Legion. May be used in a Doppelgänger Attack. See also Literal Split Personality.

Power Perversion Potential means this naturally leads to Screw Yourself.

The first paragraph sounds like it's attempting to be about a plot where a character duplicates himself via external means. The subsequent paragraphs, however, would fit better on a "Self-Duplication" Super Trope that encompasses all forms of self-duplication, superpower or not. I think a YKTTW for said Super Trope is in order. Any objections?

edited 14th Jul '11 1:25:40 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 9 Spark 9, Thu, 14th Jul '11 1:35:05 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Why does this trope name sound like Jar Jar Binks? tongue
Special trousers. Very heroic.
Me's A Crowd is a play off the common expression "three's a crowd" (as in "two is company, three's a crowd.")

In Xiaolin Showdown, there's a Wu that divides people into up to nine "selves." The first time this is used, it plays out very much like the "Me's a Crowd" plot described in the trope description. Then it falls into the villain's hands and gets used for a few one-off gags and a couple times as an effective fighting technique. It does change hands, though, and it's never a "power" of one specific character.

How would that situation be treated?
 
 11 Marq FJA, Sat, 16th Jul '11 9:41:13 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Bump. And going to create a Self-Duplication YKTTW now.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
Wait, I thought the decision was to use this for the power, not the plot, since every wick is wrong.
 13 Marq FJA, Sat, 16th Jul '11 11:02:21 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
See Fast Eddie's post above. It makes sense, I suppose.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
...it makes sense to move 342 wicks to a new trope, rather than just redefining the old one to match the (much more common trope) misuse?
Cure Candy
Well the plot trope needs to be made though right?
If the examples and wicks are consistently using Me's a Crowd to refer to the ability, we should probably do a Trope Transplant of some sort.

And while we're at it, we should get the ptitle replaced; of the trope's 339 wicks, 327 of them are from the Me's A Crowd redirect.
Non-index links to ptitles are supposed to point at the unpunctuated redirect, so that's good. But moving a page off a ptitle is free, so, cool.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 17 shimaspawn, Sun, 17th Jul '11 7:03:34 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I like the idea of this page being the character page and splitting off the plot trope.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 18 Marq FJA, Sun, 17th Jul '11 7:27:21 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
The thing is, not all examples are of the "able to make several duplicates" kind; there is the "only able to self-duplicate once at a time" sort. That would clash with the inherent implication in "Me's a Crowd" of three or more duplicates.

edited 17th Jul '11 7:28:11 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 19 Xtifr, Sun, 17th Jul '11 1:25:20 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Support a split. I have to say that Me's a Crowd sounds more like a plot point than an ability. If it weren't for the issue of re-training tropers, I'd argue for giving the ability a new name. As it is, I'll stay neutral on that point for now.

edit: just to clarify, I mean the name Me's a Crowd sounds more like...

edited 17th Jul '11 1:26:07 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 20 Marq FJA, Fri, 22nd Jul '11 7:47:22 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Bump.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 21 Marq FJA, Sat, 30th Jul '11 12:04:45 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Bump.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
I too support this split-Trope Transplant. The misuse on the page itself is palpable, a rename's in order anyway. I think we have a consensus in the thread, though the activity is low. What we need to do is find a name for the My Clones Do My Chores trope and then we can move it over.

So yeah, My Clones Do My Chores.
Don't just tell us the facts; tell us the memes, tell us the archetypes, tell us the catchy ideas and symbolic roles that get planted in pe
 23 Marq FJA, Mon, 1st Aug '11 6:16:41 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Though I prefer your proposed solution, I thought the consensus so far was that Me's a Crowd is the plot, and it's the superpower/ability that should be split from it.

edited 1st Aug '11 6:17:10 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
Well then, that means we need a crowner.
[up][up] No matter what we do, Me's a Crowd is a failure of a name. The page itself can't be kept clear, I know I didn't think it was about the plot and if we check the wicks I bet we even find the misuse is the majority. So a name for the plot needs to be found, no matter any further action and we can run a crowner while we discuss what a Self-Duplication trope would look like and whether we want Me's a Crowd as a name for that.

Judging what to do with "Me's a Crowd" as a name will need an accurate understanding of how it is being used. I think we'd need an overwhelming majority to use it for the broader misuse safely. A 50% misuse rate means that the name is definitely a failure and yet by the exact same degree definitely isn't going to be right for the power.
Don't just tell us the facts; tell us the memes, tell us the archetypes, tell us the catchy ideas and symbolic roles that get planted in pe
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