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"But we have the world's biggest frigates for that! *sighs as for german greens and lefts and their various idiocies*"

Are the new frigates really that bad? At least from what I've read on the Wikipedia article, they seem to be suited for the kind of task the German navy might be expected to undertake in the foreseeable future (peacekeeping, protecting ships from pirates et al.) Ok, can't get revenge for Jütland with ships like this, but I doubt that there'll be any major sea battle in the future.
Prinz Eugen der edle Ritter, wollt dem Kaiser wied'rum kriegen Stadt und Festung Belgerad!
727 pagad18th Feb 2014 03:31:17 PM from perfidious Albion , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
France is unquestionably the most militarily active European power unilaterally.

We're just Airstrip One.
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728 3of418th Feb 2014 03:36:29 PM from Five Seconds in the Future. , Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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[up][up]It was more a comment on how they are "frigates" because the green and left parties would throw a tantrum if we'd be honest and call them destroyers.

From what I heard they are a bit of Awesome but Impractical
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729 Greenmantle18th Feb 2014 03:41:15 PM from Greater Wessex, Britannia , Relationship Status: Hiding
Carrying On
[up][up] As always; The British Empire was run on a shoestring, y'know?
"Britannia Rules the Waves (if only)"
Belligerent means, literally, war waging- undergoing the actions of war e.g. "In World War I, the belligerent nations were The British Empire, The German Empire, The French Republic, The Austrian Empire etc"

Bellicose means inclined to fighting and warfare e.g "The French are incredibly bellicose because war means more mistresses for the survivors" or "Is it a Godwin to point out that Germany is being very bellicose?".
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731 TheHandle19th Feb 2014 05:55:14 AM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
The most dangerous thing...
"The French are incredibly bellicose because war means more mistresses for the survivors"

[lol]
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732 BestOf19th Feb 2014 06:08:32 AM from Finland , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
[up][up]Wiktionary on "belligerent":

  • 1. Engaged in warfare, warring.
  • 2. Eager to go to war, warlike.
  • 3. Of or pertaining to war.
  • 4. (By extension) Aggressively hostile, eager to fight.
  • 5. Acting violently towards others.

So at least according to them the second meaning also exists. I'm sure I've also seen it used. I was aware of all of the other meanings, as well; my mistake was assuming (for no reason that I can think of) that the meaning that was meant here was #2.

When my mistake was pointed out I did feel the need to check, though, as English is not my first language and I still have a long way to go before I can say I've learned it properly.

edited 19th Feb '14 6:08:52 AM by BestOf

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733 Achaemenid15th Mar 2014 04:18:49 PM from Blades , Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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Polandball comic about England and France. Surprisingly touching. Thought it might be nice to share.
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734 Silasw15th Mar 2014 07:05:27 PM from The UNITED Kingdom , Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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That actually bought a tear to my eye...

Though logically Crimea should probably be included, wasn't that one of the first times France and the UK worked together?
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735 TheBatPencil17th Mar 2014 07:47:50 AM from Glasgow, Scotland , Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
Venice is holding an unofficial, non-binding vote on independence!

edited 17th Mar '14 7:49:07 AM by TheBatPencil

And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
736 Greenmantle17th Mar 2014 08:07:27 AM from Greater Wessex, Britannia , Relationship Status: Hiding
Carrying On
[up] Independence seems to be the "in" thing these days...
"Britannia Rules the Waves (if only)"
737 rmctagg0917th Mar 2014 09:55:04 AM from Brooklyn, NY , Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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I wonder if Garibaldi's rolling in his grave.
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It's typed rmctagg09.
738 Joesolo17th Mar 2014 12:27:30 PM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Fucking hell venice! First you pull this crap in Europa Universalis, now in real life? bullshit.

joking aside, do they really think they'll do so much better alone?

edited 17th Mar '14 12:30:01 PM by Joesolo

739 BestOf17th Mar 2014 12:36:10 PM from Finland , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
Probably depends on how "alone" they'd be. Presumably their borders would be open to Italy (both ways) and they'd use the same currency and so on. Italy already has two (very) small nations within its borders - San Marino and the Vatican. (Well, you could also say that Italy itself is within Italy's borders, so make that 3 countries, 2 of them small.)

I'm sure they could make it but I don't see any point in doing so. That said, there probably wouldn't be a movement for independence if there was no reason for it, so I guess they probably can justify what they're doing. I haven't looked it up, though, so I can't tell you why they're doing this.

edited 17th Mar '14 12:36:47 PM by BestOf

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740 Mandemo17th Mar 2014 01:30:05 PM from Cookie Jar , Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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Sounds like a lot of people they can do better than their own governments. Though on some degree it also sounds like they want their home countries to keep providing them, without them needing to do anything for them and having full freedom to do whatever they want.

Of course, in Venice case, sounds like they are at first gauging whenever or not Venetians want independence and if so, start working to do so legally and peacefully. Sort of like Scotland is doing, didn't they run a new laws to make the referendum plausible?

741 Euodiachloris17th Mar 2014 04:58:13 PM from England (Oop North) , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Euo will do!
[up]"Run new laws"? Um... eh? If you mean... "devolution made it more possible, but this could always wind up on the cards thanks to the fact that Scotland is a country in a political Union with others", then... yeah.

But... I don't think that's what you meant.
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742 Mandemo17th Mar 2014 05:03:38 PM from Cookie Jar , Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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I just remember someone saying they had to make new laws to make the referendum possible, but could be that person was making stuff up.
743 Euodiachloris17th Mar 2014 07:57:53 PM from England (Oop North) , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Euo will do!
If "organising an official framework" is "making new laws"... then yes. But, that framework? Was based on the fact that Scotland entered the Union voluntarily in the first place. It's... been implicit in the laws since the start that Scotland could go it alone again if it could find enough political agreement on how to start the process on both sides of the border to do that.

So, I'm a confused bunny.

Heck, in theory... Wales could even try — even though it was more conquered and less "entered voluntarily, helped by the fact that England had run out of royals anybody could bear to accept". (Although, that'd be a much bigger mess to sort out: it's been longer with a lot more integration with English systems.)

edited 17th Mar '14 8:03:48 PM by Euodiachloris

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744 Greenmantle18th Mar 2014 05:50:47 AM from Greater Wessex, Britannia , Relationship Status: Hiding
Carrying On
On the subject of the Scottish Independence vote:

edited 18th Mar '14 5:55:30 AM by Greenmantle

"Britannia Rules the Waves (if only)"
745 Achaemenid18th Mar 2014 05:51:59 AM from Blades , Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Mr?
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Oh God, we're turning into Yugoslavia. The islands would probably, in the end, try to rejoin Norway. Not a bad choice, all things considered.
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746 Quag1518th Mar 2014 07:39:28 AM from Portugal , Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Portugal according to Hetalia
[up]Except there won't be any fighting, just a lot of bickering.tongue
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747 DeviantBraeburn4th Apr 2014 06:22:16 PM from Dysfunctional California
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German cabinet approves national minimum wage bill.

edited 4th Apr '14 6:23:44 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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748 optimusjamie5th Apr 2014 05:49:58 AM from Mega-City One , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Don't know if this has been posted before, but the EU has signed Net Neutrality into law.

Another reason to stay in Europe.
749 Quag155th Apr 2014 06:45:18 AM from Portugal , Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Portugal according to Hetalia
[up]It's the only relevant piece of good news coming from the EU in a few months. I hope this law doesn't get overturned.
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750 Achaemenid5th Apr 2014 06:48:05 AM from Blades , Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Mr?
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[awesome]

Please rise for the national anthem:

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