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 726 Zarastro, Tue, 18th Feb '14 3:31:02 PM from Hadrian's Wall, UK
"But we have the world's biggest frigates for that! *sighs as for german greens and lefts and their various idiocies*"

Are the new frigates really that bad? At least from what I've read on the Wikipedia article, they seem to be suited for the kind of task the German navy might be expected to undertake in the foreseeable future (peacekeeping, protecting ships from pirates et al.) Ok, can't get revenge for Jütland with ships like this, but I doubt that there'll be any major sea battle in the future.

 727 pagad, Tue, 18th Feb '14 3:31:17 PM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
France is unquestionably the most militarily active European power unilaterally.

We're just Airstrip One.
 728 3of 4, Tue, 18th Feb '14 3:36:29 PM from Five Seconds in the Future. Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Feeble Turtle Duck
[up][up]It was more a comment on how they are "frigates" because the green and left parties would throw a tantrum if we'd be honest and call them destroyers.

From what I heard they are a bit of Awesome, but Impractical
LMage: NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR WITCHCRAFT THREE
 729 Greenmantle, Tue, 18th Feb '14 3:41:15 PM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
"Per ardua ad astra"
[up][up] As always; The British Empire was run on a shoestring, y'know?
Belligerent means, literally, war waging- undergoing the actions of war e.g. "In World War I, the belligerent nations were The British Empire, The German Empire, The French Republic, The Austrian Empire etc"

Bellicose means inclined to fighting and warfare e.g "The French are incredibly bellicose because war means more mistresses for the survivors" or "Is it a Godwin to point out that Germany is being very bellicose?".
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 731 The Handle, Wed, 19th Feb '14 5:55:14 AM from Location, Location, Loca
"The French are incredibly bellicose because war means more mistresses for the survivors"

[lol]
I stayed up all night, 'cause I wanted to see where the sun went—and then it dawned on me.
 732 Best Of, Wed, 19th Feb '14 6:08:32 AM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
[up][up]Wiktionary on "belligerent":

  • 1. Engaged in warfare, warring.
  • 2. Eager to go to war, warlike.
  • 3. Of or pertaining to war.
  • 4. (By extension) Aggressively hostile, eager to fight.
  • 5. Acting violently towards others.

So at least according to them the second meaning also exists. I'm sure I've also seen it used. I was aware of all of the other meanings, as well; my mistake was assuming (for no reason that I can think of) that the meaning that was meant here was #2.

When my mistake was pointed out I did feel the need to check, though, as English is not my first language and I still have a long way to go before I can say I've learned it properly.

edited 19th Feb '14 6:08:52 AM by BestOf

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
 733 Achaemenid, Sat, 15th Mar '14 4:18:49 PM from Mitakihara Town, Copenhagen Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Polandball comic about England and France. Surprisingly touching. Thought it might be nice to share.
Die Russen seind gefallen in Preußen ein;

Auf, laßt uns sie zeigen, daß wir brave Landeskinder sein!
 734 Silasw, Sat, 15th Mar '14 7:05:27 PM from The UNITED Kingdom Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Globalist Bunny
That actually bought a tear to my eye...

Though logically Crimea should probably be included, wasn't that one of the first times France and the UK worked together?
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael

"If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
 735 The Bat Pencil, Mon, 17th Mar '14 7:47:50 AM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
Venice is holding an unofficial, non-binding vote on independence!

edited 17th Mar '14 7:49:07 AM by TheBatPencil

And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
 736 Greenmantle, Mon, 17th Mar '14 8:07:27 AM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
"Per ardua ad astra"
[up] Independence seems to be the "in" thing these days...
 737 rmctagg09, Mon, 17th Mar '14 9:55:04 AM from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
I wonder if Garibaldi's rolling in his grave.
Hugging a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

It's typed rmctagg09.
 738 Joesolo, Mon, 17th Mar '14 12:27:30 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
Fucking hell venice! First you pull this crap in Europa Universalis, now in real life? bullshit.

joking aside, do they really think they'll do so much better alone?

edited 17th Mar '14 12:30:01 PM by Joesolo

I am going to shove the sunshine so far up where the sun don't shine that you will vomit nothing but warm summer days -Belkar
 739 Best Of, Mon, 17th Mar '14 12:36:10 PM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
Probably depends on how "alone" they'd be. Presumably their borders would be open to Italy (both ways) and they'd use the same currency and so on. Italy already has two (very) small nations within its borders - San Marino and the Vatican. (Well, you could also say that Italy itself is within Italy's borders, so make that 3 countries, 2 of them small.)

I'm sure they could make it but I don't see any point in doing so. That said, there probably wouldn't be a movement for independence if there was no reason for it, so I guess they probably can justify what they're doing. I haven't looked it up, though, so I can't tell you why they're doing this.

edited 17th Mar '14 12:36:47 PM by BestOf

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
 740 Mandemo, Mon, 17th Mar '14 1:30:05 PM from Cookie Jar Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
GIMME COOKIES!
Sounds like a lot of people they can do better than their own governments. Though on some degree it also sounds like they want their home countries to keep providing them, without them needing to do anything for them and having full freedom to do whatever they want.

Of course, in Venice case, sounds like they are at first gauging whenever or not Venetians want independence and if so, start working to do so legally and peacefully. Sort of like Scotland is doing, didn't they run a new laws to make the referendum plausible?

Euo will do!
[up]"Run new laws"? Um... eh? If you mean... "devolution made it more possible, but this could always wind up on the cards thanks to the fact that Scotland is a country in a political Union with others", then... yeah.

But... I don't think that's what you meant.
"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
 742 Mandemo, Mon, 17th Mar '14 5:03:38 PM from Cookie Jar Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
GIMME COOKIES!
I just remember someone saying they had to make new laws to make the referendum possible, but could be that person was making stuff up.
Euo will do!
If "organising an official framework" is "making new laws"... then yes. But, that framework? Was based on the fact that Scotland entered the Union voluntarily in the first place. It's... been implicit in the laws since the start that Scotland could go it alone again if it could find enough political agreement on how to start the process on both sides of the border to do that.

So, I'm a confused bunny.

Heck, in theory... Wales could even try — even though it was more conquered and less "entered voluntarily, helped by the fact that England had run out of royals anybody could bear to accept". (Although, that'd be a much bigger mess to sort out: it's been longer with a lot more integration with English systems.)

edited 17th Mar '14 8:03:48 PM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
 744 Greenmantle, Tue, 18th Mar '14 5:50:47 AM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
"Per ardua ad astra"
On the subject of the Scottish Independence vote:

edited 18th Mar '14 5:55:30 AM by Greenmantle

 745 Achaemenid, Tue, 18th Mar '14 5:51:59 AM from Mitakihara Town, Copenhagen Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
[up]

Oh God, we're turning into Yugoslavia. The islands would probably, in the end, try to rejoin Norway. Not a bad choice, all things considered.
Die Russen seind gefallen in Preußen ein;

Auf, laßt uns sie zeigen, daß wir brave Landeskinder sein!
 746 Quag 15, Tue, 18th Mar '14 7:39:28 AM from Portugal Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Everyone will become one with me (^し^)
[up]Except there won't be any fighting, just a lot of bickering.tongue
 747 Deviant Braeburn, Fri, 4th Apr '14 6:22:16 PM from Dysfunctional California
Wandering Jew
German cabinet approves national minimum wage bill.

edited 4th Apr '14 6:23:44 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible.

But some things are more Probable than others.
JEBAGEDDON 2016

 748 optimusjamie, Sat, 5th Apr '14 5:49:58 AM from Mega-City One Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Don't know if this has been posted before, but the EU has signed Net Neutrality into law.

Another reason to stay in Europe.
 749 Quag 15, Sat, 5th Apr '14 6:45:18 AM from Portugal Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Everyone will become one with me (^し^)
[up]It's the only relevant piece of good news coming from the EU in a few months. I hope this law doesn't get overturned.
 750 Achaemenid, Sat, 5th Apr '14 6:48:05 AM from Mitakihara Town, Copenhagen Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
[up][up]

[awesome]

Please rise for the national anthem:

Die Russen seind gefallen in Preußen ein;

Auf, laßt uns sie zeigen, daß wir brave Landeskinder sein!
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