Proposal to reformat 'Buxom' Tropes.

Howdy.

You've probably seen one of the many attempts to to work on Breast tropes. I have tried to help on many of them. On one in particular Marq FJA proposed a idea to reformat the Buxom tropes. Unfortunately, There wasn't much response, and the thread moved on.

So here is the proposal directly out of his post. Edit: I'm going to treat this as a Psuedo-YKKW, and edit this as ideas come in. No examples Please, Put those in the Appropriate YKKW.

• Buxom Is Better: The belief that 1) a true woman has to be big-breasted, and 2) the bigger the breasts, the more feminine/womanly and/or sexually attractive you are; can take the form of a busty girl ridiculing a lesser-endowed peer's lack of "assets", or guys favoring a shallow woman for her bustiness while ignoring the kind-hearted Shrinking Violet with an average-sized chest.
  • This covers cases were the character's bustiness is (either explicitly or implicitly) due to her designer/creator preferring either big-breasted women or just drawing them.
  • Unfortunately Truth in Television in Western society and those that are heavily influenced by it.

• Buxom Babe: A big-breasted female character whose bustiness is one of the main sources, if not the main source, of fanservice and/or Fetish Fuel from her. The Opposite Trope to Pettanko.
  • The likes of Mai Shiranui, Ivy, Morrigan and Felicia would fall under this; one can't really deny that their character designers aren't purposefully emphasizing their bustiness.
  • Internal Subtropes of Buxom Babe include:
    • Hot Buxom Babe: Her bustiness draws positive reactions from other characters.
    • Abhorred Buxom Babe: Her bustiness draws negative reactions from other characters.
    • Ignored Buxom Babe: Her bustiness draws absolutely no reactions from other characters; this typically results in a lot of frustration for her.

• World of Buxom: Where every single known/shown female character - excluding the occasional Token Loli or Pettanko - is unquestionably big-breasted, even the (usually) nameless extras, to a degree that is dissonant with reality.
  • Godannar is a glaring example; most of the non-pilot cast are clearly Japanese citizens, and yet not one of the girls go below "large" on the Sliding Scale of Anime/Manga Breast Size. Busty Japanese women are a rarity, last time I checked.
    • Similarly guilty are Angel Blade and Divergence Eve.

Of course, there is a reason behind the last two tropes...

• Big Breasts Sell (formerly Buxom Sells): Owing in part to Sex Sells, the majority of character artists/designers/writers either believe that making a female character noticeably big-breasted and/or deliberating designing the character and/or her wardrobe to draw Male Gaze to her big breasts would result in increased popularity, and thereby increased profitability, or they don't believe so, but still recognize that it's a relatively prevalent belief and are trying to cash in on it by designing their female characters accordingly.

Also Marq FJA suggested one as a extension to World of Buxom.

• A woman who has naturally basketball-sized breasts is indeed a lucky woman; IRL, it's relatively rare to have such a breast size and maintain a slim figure at the same time. That said, one can chalk up having two women with such all-natural well-endowed and slim physiques who are familially unrelated (thus precluding an In the Blood handwave) in the same class/workplace/residence/neighbourhood within a Like Reality, Unless Noted setting to sheer coincidence, and might be willing to suspend their capacity for disbelief for three of them, but four would be stretching that capacity to its very limit, five is definitely too bizarre to uphold that belief, and six would make you immediately suspect that someone is deliberately pulling the strings behind the scenes, because the only other plausible way for that to happen is if

1. They're all working/auditioning for a glamor modelling agency that believes in Buxom Is Better, a live-action TV/film character role that specifically requires such a physique, or a big-breast porn film. Or
2. They are drawn to the same place by supernatural means.

Contrived Coincidence Of Several Buxom Babes YKTTW

This looks like a good way to reformat these pages. Ideas are welcome.

edited 22nd Jul '11 8:17:19 PM by pokedude10

Why bother renaming Buxom Is Better? It got cleaned up a while ago, and is good now.

I agree with pretty much everything else, though I think this should probably be in TRS.

World of Buxom is generally an art style trope, where any character that isn't a generic blob character is busty unless the artist intentionally designs a small chested character, who will most likely have A-Cup Angst.

Correct, Buxom Is Better does not need to be renamed. I just copied directly out of his post. Good point about TRS though, I'll holler for a Move.

Good idea.

Those will almost always be a Token Loli (Token Pettanko for more of a general term) or meant to invoke that trope as pandering to the other side.

Anyways I support this greatly, as did many others although I dont think anyone was willing to do the leg work. (which is why the thread was locked.)

edited 3rd Jul '11 4:11:55 PM by Raso

Due to RL, I might not be as active in the next Two weeks. Nonetheless, I will still sponsor at least two of these on YKTTW.

EDIT: World of Buxom YKTTW here

edited 3rd Jul '11 7:05:59 PM by pokedude10

I think it might be best to drop the hermaphrodite description. I've never ever seen another trope that makes the distinction—and it would mean that every trope mentioning gender ought to shift it.

Well there is a rule in Hentai a Futanari is always bigger (in both departments) Big Dickus and Buxom Is Better.

edited 3rd Jul '11 8:10:20 PM by Raso

Good point. I edited the description in the post to remove those.

I think that's a trope on it's own.

I'm going to try to keep the OP updated with current ideas.

edited 3rd Jul '11 8:58:23 PM by pokedude10

Yeah, lets keep the porn tropes off on their own.

As I was directed to this when I commented in the YKKTW for World of Buxom:

What should it be named?

edited 4th Jul '11 10:46:14 AM by halfmillennium

The Artist Likes Boobs if you want to hit the nail on the head.

Aight here's my thoughts

• Buxom Is Better: Just simplify this to explicit cases where a character who is attractive or considered more because of her big breasts. (implicit cases just invite assumptions and Fetish Fuel)

• Busty Babe: Needs A Better Title, and Needs A Better Description for that matter. Fetish Fuel should never be be used as the parameters for a trope and it's definitely not the opposite of Pettanko (a trope that has to do with the typical personalties that come with flat chested characters, not Fanservice).

Like I said the title needs to be more specific, or you're going to get a lot of literal cases of "attractive busty character". The description has me worried that any busty cleavage bearing women is fair game.

Also, those internal subtropes, don't need em. They're just playing with Buxom Is Better.

• World Of Buxom: Needs to be specific on with it's just the main cast, or just about everyone, main cast, background, and non speaking characters etc...

Buxom Sells: This whole trope doesn't work without Word of God. Not only that but works don't sell themselves, this trope should be about advertisements and promotions. I would change the description to deal with cases where a character is depicted with a much larger bust in the promotions and ads than the actual works.

Those are my thoughts.

Won't lie, I'm a bit apprehensive about this, with the exception of Buxom Is Better (which we already have), these new one's just feel like we're creating tropes for the sole propose of pointing out that a character has big boobs. If that's really the case, then as much as I would hate this, I would say make a Busty Character trope and call it day. There's only so many ways you can point out a character has big boobs.

edited 4th Jul '11 2:34:45 PM by captainpat

I would say that World Of Buxom would include anything where all the characters with any kind of detail are busty, except for the previously mentioned token characters (or five year olds, whatever). If the artist uses a generic silhouette blob for background characters, I'm not going to call that a violation, just lazy/economic art work.

What if there's only say 12 characters of detail in the work and 10 of them are busty, would that still qualify? Because that sounds silly with a name like World of Buxom. There's gotta to be more to this trope than simply pointing out that the majority of the cast share a feature.

Not always Some artists (Ken Akamatsu for one) like them that way but still draw the full spectrum. They just pander to other crowds as well.

Actually no Pettanko is the catch all for all the small breasted tropes we split the personalities of Pettanko into A-Cup Angst and Petite Pride. (A-Cup Angst actually doesnt require the person to actually be flat just angsty at her small size I mean a P Cup could be in this trope if they were played that way, B Gata H Kei is an example of a B Cup that acts the part.) Busty Babe would be the exact opposite as well as exampleless only used in Wicks.

The actual Buxom Is Better subtropes would go under that and it would stop the misuse of Bigger Breasts Are Better with a place to link she has big breasts and shows it off or the Camera shows it of via Male Gaze like one of these shots. [1]◊

edited 4th Jul '11 5:16:25 PM by Raso

Someone made a thread for this already? Well, no harm done.

@captainpat: I don't see why Busty Babe's subtropes are unnecessary. And as for Fetish Fuel, there is such a thing as Playing to the Fetishes.

edited 4th Jul '11 4:32:37 PM by MarqFJA

Here's the first sentence Pettanko

If anything the opposite of this trope is Big Breasts Big Deal

All, why wouldn't that picture example you put simply go under Male Gaze? We don't need to differient whether the gaze is directed to a character's breasts or bust unless it's that exclusive.

Hot Busty Babe: Overlaps with Buxom Is Better

Abhorred Busty Babe: Subverted Buxom Is Better

Ignored Busty Babe: unless you're requiring the character have an a reaction over the fact that the other character's are ignoring her breasts (which would just be a subversion of Buxom Is Better) then this pointing out big breasted characters.

Playing to the Fetishes: Best the check the trs thread

edited 4th Jul '11 4:35:55 PM by captainpat

Buxom Is Better is supposed to be rewritten. See the above scheme.

And yeah, I only noticed the TRS when I decided to check the trope page on a whim after I made my previous post.

edited 4th Jul '11 4:39:46 PM by MarqFJA

I did but I don't think it should have any suptropes.

Not my point (Male Gaze is anywhere on the female body but the face) The point is the girl or the show has to show it off.

If she tries to hide them via Sarashi or loose clothing is a separate trope.

My original idea was restricting it to Drawn Busty as there is a reason for the way a character is created with a rack. Same way a Pettanko character is created. (Although more so in japanese works as Big boobs are egregiously rare.

Watch this vid she has got the rack and the camera rarely actually focuses on them, is she calling attention to them oh hell yeah (Stairway to Heaven Shirt of all things then wearing a shirt really showing it off.)

That is a holdover from before the split and should be on A-Cup Angst.

edited 4th Jul '11 6:08:09 PM by Raso

Pettanko isn't a trope. It's an example-less definition page for a Japanese term. Petite Pride, and A-Cup Angst are tropes and they're both based on personality more than breast size. There's no need for a counterpart to Pettanko itself because it's not a trope.

As for the vid, I'd say it calls attention to her hair more. It looks like someone showing off animation skills more than anything. Look we can make her walk, jiggle, oh, look at all the cool stuff we can do with her hair. It didn't seem like the size of her breasts was important.

edited 4th Jul '11 6:29:43 PM by shimaspawn

With that said, should Busty Babe be example less as well? YMMV maybe?

Busty Babe is not a fan speak term. It's not something we're giving a definition to. It's not a trope. It doesn't need a page.

Accidental post.

edited 4th Jul '11 10:44:02 PM by pokedude10