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Common Eye Colors and Technicolor Eyes (New Crowner 11.6): Common Eye Colors get usage counts

Innocence and water powers.
 27 shimaspawn, Thu, 30th Jun '11 1:40:11 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up][up] Kind Red Eyes was cut because it's not actually a trope. It was just a list of any character with red eyes that weren't mean.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
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with what we are doing now wouldnt it be viable in this setup? (Red eyes are not natural outside of an Albino.)
 29 shimaspawn, Thu, 30th Jun '11 1:49:54 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
No, because it still wouldn't be a trope. It's not associated with being kind. It's exactly the sort of thing we're trying to get rid of with this new set up. We don't want a list of people with red eyes.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
It's just a subversion (or maybe an aversion, but you can't really avert appearance tropes) of Red Eyes, Take Warning. When you see someone with red eyes, you can assume they're evil or using evil magic or what have you. Yes, that expectation gets subverted a lot, but that's why the Red Eyes, Take Warning page has the list of counter examples.
 31 Madrugada, Thu, 30th Jun '11 1:52:50 PM Relationship Status: In season
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No, this is eye color used as a signifier of some other characteristic. Not simply X character has Y-colored eyes. If Gold Eyes Are Supernatural, than any character who has gold eyes but doesn't have any supernatural characteristics, isn't an example.

That's what the current problem is; they've simply become dumping grounds for "This character has <color> eyes."
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
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If someone made the choice to draw someone with Red eyes and they arnt an albino thats a trope though. Red eyes in general can be more about kindness as well as Glowing Red Eyes Of Doom.

And I ask again though where would this go? We dont exactly have a trope for multicolored eyes or eyes that change color depending on the light (like that car paint.) (they are lumped into Technicolor Eyes?) If they fit personality types listed do they get an entry?

edited 30th Jun '11 2:05:51 PM by Raso

 33 shimaspawn, Thu, 30th Jun '11 2:02:23 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Raso, linking random images doesn't help the discussion in the least. If we don't know the character, we can't help you. Please refrain from citing specific examples. They don't help. They just derail the conversations.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
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I was talking about multicolored eyes in general.
Maybe Kaleidoscope Eyes?

EDIT: or maybe not. That trope's about changing color, not multiple colors. Hmm...

EDIT 2: Also I couldn't tell what you were talking about either because it looked like the multiple colors was just shading. I suspect Shima thought you were just linking a random blue-eyed girl.

edited 30th Jun '11 2:59:37 PM by joeyjojojuniorshabadoo

 36 shimaspawn, Thu, 30th Jun '11 3:05:39 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I'm not sure it's a trope. I mean there's Boat Lights but this may be something too rare to trope. The girl does just look like another blue eyed girl.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Heterochromia is a redirect for Mismatched Eyes. We just need to add a note that in rare circumstances the eye actually has multiple colors. Even for Mary Sues, that form of heterochromia is pretty rare, so I don't think it needs an entire page.
 38 Deboss, Fri, 1st Jul '11 2:22:57 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
We've got Heterochromia for when the two eyes have different colored irises. Do we need a trope for two tone irises?
Added a line to Mismatched Eyes about heterochromia. I really don't think we need an entire page about it. Let's bring this thread back on topic.

Most of the eye subtropes can be described with one or two adjectives; Sinister Black Eyes, Sorrowful Black Eyes, and so on. We just have to figure out which ones work best for each.

EDIT: And another vote for splitting off Elemental Eye Colors.

edited 4th Jul '11 7:41:52 AM by Discar

 40 shimaspawn, Mon, 4th Jul '11 8:33:23 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
All the Elemental Eye Colours really are the same trope. I do agree that an adjective before the eye colour does a lot to help the clarity of these tropes.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
[up] That's what I meant. Split off one Elemental Eye Colors trope.
The big problem I think we're going to have is figuring out what to do with the current eye color tropes. Sure, nearly all of the examples are X Just X, but they're still correct, they just need to be expanded and put under the proper subtropes (once those are ironed out, of course).

So as I see it, we have two options:

  • Turn the current eye color tropes into supertropes of the subtropes, and launch a Special Efforts thread to get all the wicks fixed. The supertropes should mention that any examples need to go under the appropriate subtropes. Pros: No broken links. Cons: Tropers who missed the memo won't even notice.

  • Redlink the current eye color tropes, and launch a Special Efforts thread to get all the wicks fixed. Pros: The change will be nearly impossible to miss. Cons: Will create nearly 3000 redlinks all told.

Any thoughts?
 43 Ironeye, Sun, 10th Jul '11 5:42:42 PM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
We cannot cut the current pages because they have decent inbounds, and thus the second option is not viable. Also, the current "tropes" aren't tropeable, so the pages would have to be disambiguation pages, not supertropes.

edited 10th Jul '11 5:43:02 PM by Ironeye

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
Sorry, that's what I meant. It's been a long day.

Well, at least that means we have a solution. It will be annoying to do, but I think we all saw that coming.
 45 Ironeye, Sun, 10th Jul '11 5:53:11 PM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
Yes. We now just need to choose which of the meanings are worth splitting off into their own tropes, find names, write descriptions, sort examples, make pages, make disambiguation pages, and correct wicks.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
Now that some of the other problems have calmed down, I think we can tackle this again. Based on Ironeye's posts, I wrote up some things. The first paragraph is a mock-up of what the disambiguation page would look like, and the rest are potential names for the new tropes.

"Blue Eyes refers to several different tropes. A character with blue eyes will fall into one of these. If you reached this page from an X Just X example listed under Blue Eyes, the example is wrong and should be corrected to match one of the tropes listed below."

Any thoughts?

edited 16th Jul '11 1:53:14 PM by Discar

 47 Deboss, Sat, 16th Jul '11 4:12:16 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I'd merge Piercing and Unsettling Blue, probably lump Eerie in there as well. Is Demonic/Hypnotic the same as Glowing? I'm not sure I'd use Hypnotic though, it gets used as a "jaw dropping gorgeous" too often for my taste. At least for a physical description.

Where would eyes described as Steel Grey fit in?

Should we use Teal for blue-green?
46: Good idea, but I'm not so sure about "A character with blue eyes will fall into one of these." One problem with these pages is that eye color does not necessarily mean anything and is not always a trope. If it's just a physical trait the character happens to have, there is no trope, and the entry should be deleted.

edited 16th Jul '11 4:19:14 PM by joeyjojojuniorshabadoo

[up][up] Glowing is just Glowing Eyes of Doom. The color isn't really relevant. And I think "steel gray" would be Dangerous Gray Eyes.

[up] True. But in media where the writer has direct control over eye color—anything other than live action, really—it does always mean something. That's why we're working on this.
World's Toughest Milkman
[up] I'm not sure it always has to mean something. A drawn character has to have some eye color, after all. But if there's an opportunity for any sort of symbolism, many artists will hop on it.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.

Alternative Titles: Eyes Of Gold
10th Nov '12 2:18:40 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
Eyes Of Gold was voted to be renamed 12 to 0.
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