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Headscratchers on trope-pages:
This really starts to bug me. On many Trope-pages, people misuse the Headscratchers-namespace for complaining about examples they don't like. We should really cut down the usage; is it possible to restrict it to work-pages only (just like YMMV)?
adopting kittehI though that the (new, old) idea of Headscratchers was to discuss why some things work in a certain way and they set us off, and that the whole complaining about what one doesn't like was simply misuse that was to be removed (and an important factor behind the rename). Seeing so, I simply don't see a reason why there can't be Headscratchers for tropes (discarding policy as of the above being solved).
adopting kittehHmmm.... I tend to think that Discussion tab is for operational discussion like in... uh... The Other Wiki... my fault. So yeah. Discussion it is then. (I guess forums would be inconvenient for the issue. If no one "rediscusses" a trope in, like, [X amount of] months, the thread gets purged or lost anyway... unless it's linked to from Discussion anyway...)
ZzzzzzzzzzI see no reason that we can't have Analysis pages for tropes. That seems like the reasonable place to put "Why did this trope come into existence, ?", "Here's its history", "Here's how it differs from Real Life.", and so on. But Analysis, not Headscratchers.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
Complaining. Who's going to watch/curate these subpages?
I see the Awesomeness.I thought that that was the purpose of analysis pages. Discussion, is something I've thought of as discussing the page, not the trope. For that, you should head to the forum.
Cure CandyI thought the discussion page was more for discussing specific examples and other page issues, while questions for the trope would go to the Trope Talk forum. Discussing why the trope exists and such I thought would go on headscratchers though. (not that I have ever tried to use a page like that.)
I see the Awesomeness.Yeah. I use the discussion page when I want to discuss an example, or whether or not a set fits.
Even a Just Bugs Me page for a trope seems to me like it would be more about why it's a Pet Peeve Trope.
I am trying to see the error in my ways and edit correctly my entries, but that is a Headscratched itself: If the WMG section read like the trope page, but the nature of any Headscratcher invite to Natter, woulnd't it be prefereable to give it a forum-like format instead of the trope page format? I think the difference of Discussion and Wild Mass Guess is very clear in the name itself for this to cause trouble. I mean, new tropers like me tend to learn for examples first and reading the manual last, so bad edition manners perpetuate themselves.
Once again we have confusion about what Headscratchers is for. I think the namespace name may be long on cute and short on clarity. Let's hear some alternative names for the namespace.
Thread Mode atmosphere is going to devolve into crap eventually. It's inevitable.
That's way too long for the title of a namespace.
I'm an Irene!Headscratches are most often used in works, and are about problems with the storytelling aspect. "Questions & Answers" seem to work, though. I can't think of many tropes where you need a page for that.
edited 21st Dec '11 2:44:42 PM by Fighteer
adopting kittehQAndA is not a bad alternative, I hope? EDIT: Q & A is a bluelink. Go figure...
edited 21st Dec '11 2:48:19 PM by SilentReverence
I'm an Irene!I'll make sure to check if somebody tried to make one for those. Anyway, Questions And Answers(Storytelling) would work fine, then. If that's what the guidelines are, it should work. Is it short enough? Alternatively, Q And A Storytelling might work.
Q & A is a work page in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved. The name just looks awkward spelled out. It has to be simple though, because it's going in the namespace component of the URL. Preferably a non-CamelCase word.
Gotta trope, dood!I've not seen a huge problem with Natter on Headscratchers pages that's not just left over from when it was called Headscratchers— that is, old entries that hadn't been deleted when the change was made. Add to that, people who didn't participate in the last rename thread don't know why it was changed. If you want to change it, maybe add a disclaimer to the top of all the Just Bugs Me pages that "This isn't a place to whine and complain, but raise questions about plot holes, weird moments, and general questions about works." Re: Why Not Just Forumize It?— Much like WMG, it can't work as a forum because of the nature of it. We've already got a bit of a problem with multiple entries over the same thing, forumizing it would make it even worse. Someone'll say "It doesn't make sense that Alice died when she got thrown out of that window in season two, considering that pretty much the exact same thing happened in the third episode of season one." One or two people'll say "yeah, you're right" and move on with the thread, then three pages later, someone who was late to the party'll say the same thing and waste everyone's time. In addition to that, you'd have to sort the posts in some way, since the alternative is having
They lost me. Forgot me. Made you from parts of me. If you're the One, my father's son, what am I supposed to be?
adopting kittehThe way I see it, Headscratchers by their nature would require a sort of content versioning system (something similar to eg.: git). Lacking that, keeping them in wiki format at least helps maintain one of the key points of their nature's model — answers and comments to questions are posted where they have to be (with the questions).
Trouble is, you ask questions, you gonna get answers. Many answers, different answers, opposable answers, non-editable answers... Is Guessing after all. Thus, you get Natter.
adopting kittehHey, don't diss getting answers, that's more or less what science is... Well, it is a two way avenue in my opinion. If you want to have a place where you can get answers or comments to questions, no matter you have a wiki or a forum the premise is the same — you want to get those answers (if you don't, how do you know they're "natter"?). Thus curation is the answer. Trouble is, the way the forums work, the only way to have HS working as a forum is with a dedicated curator who spends his time checking all pages and linking and indexing relevant questions and answers... and only the OP can do that. With the wiki, you can have other people learn and help. But they first have to use it.
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