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 101 Kino, Mon, 8th Aug '11 10:20:37 AM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Connoisseur of redheads
  • It all depends on how you classify "enemy". If an extreme survival situation like that, anyone not in your immediate group is an competitor.

  • Semantic; they're both stealing.

  • So using an advantage to benefit yourself is a bad thing?
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 102 Oh no a Bear, Mon, 8th Aug '11 10:36:53 AM from Exiting, pursued by a...
I'm back, baby.
The difference between looting and banditry is not a matter of semantics, especially not in this circumstance. One is the appropriation of goods that would otherwise go to spoil, the other is the appropriation of goods from the hands and mouths of those who could use it. One strengthens those who use it, the other weakens those it is used against.

As to your other points: you seem to believe that there can safely be more than two sides to this conflict. There can't. The Aliens are strong. They are (as far as we can tell) totally unified and immune or averse to internal strife. Humanity is already weak. If it wishes to have a hope of a prayer of survival, much less victory, it must imitate the Aliens in this one respect.
 103 Kino, Mon, 8th Aug '11 10:45:08 AM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Connoisseur of redheads
And you're assuming that looters aren't looting form other individuals, or that bandits loot on occasion. They're both in a shitty situation, and they're both taking resources that could be used by others; there's no good or bad when it comes to survival.
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 104 Pyroninja 42, Mon, 8th Aug '11 10:53:33 AM from the War Room
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Okay, there was a serious case of "Did Not Do The Research" in the finale.

Basically, it involved the "mech-metal" RPG-7 warhead.

RPG munition is different from tank shells. A mech-metal tank shell would kick ass. However, it does not have any effect on the performance of a dumb-fire anti-tank shaped charge. The damage done by an RPG-7 shell does not come from whatever metal the warhead is made of; rather, the damage comes from the plasma jet that punches the hole through the armor.
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 105 Oh no a Bear, Mon, 8th Aug '11 10:55:02 AM from Exiting, pursued by a...
I'm back, baby.
[up][up]There is when the number of survivors matters just as much as the quality.

And I think the theft issue can fall under the heading of "miscomunication". When I say looting, I only mean when the goods taken would otherwise go to waste. If they are owned by someone who intends and/or needs to use them, they will not go to waste. You cannot loot from somebody in my head-dictionary, only steal from somebody or loot from somewhere. Stealing=bad, looting=justified. If this is a misunderstanding of terms on either part, I apologize.

edited 8th Aug '11 10:55:57 AM by OhnoaBear

 106 Deboss, Mon, 8th Aug '11 12:03:59 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Pyro, unless I missed something, almost all modern tank shells use anti tank shaped charges known as HEAT rounds. Or they're APFSDS, which they mentioned earlier.
 107 Pyroninja 42, Mon, 8th Aug '11 12:30:12 PM from the War Room
Forum Villain
Okay, so I may have gotten the thing about the tank shells wrong, they most certainly did not understand how an RPG-7 functions.
"Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person that doesn't get it."
 108 Deboss, Mon, 8th Aug '11 5:15:43 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Most likely. Haven't seen the episode, but I've seen tv stuff before. Accuracy is not their forte. Of course, the very idea of how their using the mek metal to penetrate armor is silly. I want to say it's just an example of Depleted Phlebotinum Shells in action.
Personally I like to think they used the mech metal in the cone. It's still Depleted Phlebotinum Shells-esque but if you squint just right it makes sense as they can use it as the bullet part of a round.

 110 Deboss, Tue, 9th Aug '11 12:52:47 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Then again, it still shows a distinct lack of Mat Sci research, but meh, tv writers.

I'm also more curious as to how they got an RPG-7 in the continental US. I mean, this episode we saw lots of AK variants, but why did they feel the need to use an RPG considering they had what was pretty clearly an AT-4 in the back ground, which would make a lot more sense.

edited 9th Aug '11 12:54:04 AM by Deboss

 111 Kino, Tue, 9th Aug '11 6:42:50 AM from NC/NYC Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Connoisseur of redheads
  • We've got RPG's for training purposes.
  • RPG's have taken down aircraft before; Blackhawk Down is a good example.
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 112 Pyroninja 42, Tue, 9th Aug '11 7:10:48 AM from the War Room
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[up][up]An AT-4 is just that- an anti-tank weapon. Odds are it would have an even less chance of taking down aircraft.
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 113 Deboss, Tue, 9th Aug '11 11:56:48 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Eh, didn't know about the training RPG's. An AT 4 is still a rocket. I'm positive it has more to do with the warhead being visible on the RPG though.
 114 Meeble, Thu, 11th Aug '11 9:13:58 AM from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
As a season finale, I didn't really get a feeling that it was a very epic ending. It certainly kept the story advancing in interesting directions, but I believe the decision to only show the school battle and not the alien base battle was a poor one.

This feels like it would have been a good penultimate episode, but I like my season finales to pack more of a punch.

edited 11th Aug '11 9:15:24 AM by Meeble

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 115 Deboss, Thu, 11th Aug '11 3:33:03 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Just added Chicken Walker to the page. Shame on you guys.
I just started watching this, and I love it. Are we getting a second season?

 117 Deboss, Tue, 24th Apr '12 9:55:00 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I'm not sure.
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[up][up] Yep, it will return June 17. Here you go: TNT 2012 Summer Premiere Dates

edited 25th Apr '12 8:24:39 AM by hybridelement

 119 De Marquis, Fri, 15th Jun '12 6:03:09 PM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
I'll be watching...
“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
 120 Gaon, Thu, 21st Jun '12 10:26:42 AM from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Anyone still watching it? The Second Season premiere was pretty damn good.

We even acquired a Big Bad now.
 121 Kid Carnival, Sun, 24th Jun '12 11:28:22 AM from 48° 15' N, 16° 22' E
hero of another story
Yep, watching. I see a habit of "oh, btw, this happened off screen" though. First Karen, now Uncle Scott and his wife "died while you were gone".

 122 tricksterson, Fri, 6th Jul '12 6:59:06 PM from Behind you with an icepick Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Never Trust
Has anyone else noticed a superficial resemblance between the boss aliens and the heads on Easter Island? Or is it just me?
If it's an authority figure and it's breathing it's guilty
 123 Kid Carnival, Sat, 7th Jul '12 12:45:31 AM from 48° 15' N, 16° 22' E
hero of another story
Hm, from the distance maybe. But the Easter Island heads have no bodies.

 124 tricksterson, Sat, 7th Jul '12 4:51:33 AM from Behind you with an icepick Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Never Trust
I was just referring to their faces. I'm just wondering if they've been here before, especially if it turns out the Skitters were once human.
If it's an authority figure and it's breathing it's guilty
Been her before: Quite possible. Recon is, after all, standard military practice. I am, however, quite confident that the skitters were never human - they are some other race previously enslaved by the overlords. - Who were probably always six legged, but likely not armored originally.
 
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