Aversions should only be listed when the trope is so strongly connected to the situation it usually appears in that not using it is noticeable or jarring. The Averted Trope page puts it like this:
"averting is generally not an example for mentioning on a trope page, except for tropes that are so common that the list of aversions is actually shorter, such as Limited Wardrobe. ...A supermajority of works that have element A will also have trope A, but work W has element A without trope A."
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.This one probably fits the 'only list aversions' criteria, as this is used so often to establish time-period that you almost never see the opposite. Stuff like the first example on the page, an Invocation, probably should be listed too.
edited 17th Jun '11 11:09:06 AM by savage
Want to rename a trope? Step one: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.I would have thought so, but the list of played-straight examples is actually rather short. Perhaps this is a Dead Unicorn Trope, not nearly as ubiquitous as it's thought to be.
I think that we could probably clean up a lot of the "aversions" if we held it to the trope as defined: "If your show is set after 1930, then at some point a radio will be heard. It will only be playing well-known songs that, with hindsight, are seen as the coolest or most iconic of their era. If a movie marquee is seen, it will be showing a well-known classic of the period. Newspaper headlines will be the stories that everyone remembers, and televisions will always be showing either a famous opening sequence or a famous scene...".
Clear out all the examples where it's just in the soundtrack, but not supposedly present within the work itself and I think we'll have the page in much better shape. It looks like the trope decay started with a couple of bad examples ("<This soundtrack> didn't use hits of the era") and snowballed from there as people added examples that were similar to other examples, without paying attention to the actual definition.
edited 19th Jun '11 10:43:13 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.So are we doing this? It's still filled with both aversions and straight examples, and still looks like it's eager to grow into "all period pieces with soundtracks" to me.
Anything to do here? Or is this done?
I vote for deleting all aversions.
I think maybe it should be one of those tropes that only has aversions, since it's pretty common.
IMO split the adversions with something like Obscure Period Piece or such.
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
Half or more of the examples on the page are aversions; in fact it seems to be bloating into a list of all period pieces with soundtracks. Anyone want to have a crack at it? And what are the rules for when an aversion should or shouldn't be listed, anyway?