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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#1: Jun 13th 2011 at 11:37:59 PM

There is a Fourth Law of Gender Bending in YKTTW right now. The "risk" that it'll be launched with that name has made it clear to me that the First, Second, and Third Law of Gender-Bending need searchable redirects so people can tell which one is which.

Any suggestions?

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#2: Jun 13th 2011 at 11:53:43 PM

For the First, I suggest Genderbending Is Not Reversible or Genderbending Is Permanent; for the second, Genderbenders Always Adapt or Genderbenders Adapt Easily. I have no suggestions for the third.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#5: Jun 14th 2011 at 7:34:40 PM

Technically, the first law isn't just about genderbending being permanent, but more permanent if it happens to a male.

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suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
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#6: Jun 15th 2011 at 4:17:04 PM

It's not necessarily even about "permanent" change per se. That'd be the most common form, but sometimes (Ranma 1/2 would be a good example), it's more like "This damn back-and-forth thing is never gonna stop, is it?"

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savage Nice Hat from an underground bunker Since: Jan, 2001
#7: Jun 16th 2011 at 9:26:17 AM

The Laconic of the First Law of Gender Bending is "Once a girl, always a girl." Maybe we could use that?

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#8: Jun 16th 2011 at 1:30:28 PM

[up] If the post right above yours is true, it's misleading (and should actually be changed).

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#9: Jun 16th 2011 at 1:39:55 PM

No, the laconic is right. If a character was born as a girl, she's going to stay a girl. If a character was born a guy, then gets hits with a Gender Bender, he's going to stay a girl. This trope could conceivably called Conversation Of Females, but that doesn't really express it very well.

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#10: Jun 16th 2011 at 1:51:30 PM

So... what about the assertion in post 6?

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#11: Jun 16th 2011 at 2:01:39 PM

I haven't seen Ranma, but as I understand it, its about a boy cursed to turn into a girl under certain conditions. He's never going to be free from the curse, even though he can on occasion stay as a boy for a while.

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#12: Jun 16th 2011 at 2:04:34 PM

Which is still not "stay[ing] as a girl," which you asserted was necessary. Which is why I asked.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#13: Jun 16th 2011 at 2:18:13 PM

Tropes Are Flexible. The spirit of the trope is "the audience likes girls more than guys, and gender bending reflects that." The Laconic doesn't delve into all that, it just sticks with the strict definition: Girls stay as girls, no matter how they arrived at that gender.

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AnonymousMcCartneyfan Since: Jan, 2001
#17: Jul 16th 2011 at 3:12:53 PM

Or Conservation Of Females.

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suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
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#19: Jul 16th 2011 at 3:45:53 PM

Maybe Conservation Of Femininity? Would Law Of Conservation Of Femininity be too long?

"Females" is perhaps a bit more precise, but doesn't roll off the tongue as well.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#20: Jul 16th 2011 at 3:47:18 PM

On the contrary, "females" is three syllables shorter than femininin... feminity — femininity.

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#21: Nov 5th 2011 at 10:25:32 PM

I'd forgotten all about this thread of mine.

Any more suggestions for redirects for these three tropes? I still think they're needed.

hotrods4ben Browncoat Reaver Since: May, 2010
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#22: Nov 5th 2011 at 11:24:55 PM

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suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
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#23: Nov 6th 2011 at 6:00:25 AM

On reflection, the reason Law Of Conservation Of Femininity works better (IMO) has nothing to do with word length, but the fact that "Law of Conservation" is used with "Mass" and "Energy" in ordinary usage - not concrete plural nouns, but singular nouns expressing "intangibles".

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#24: Jan 15th 2012 at 11:50:24 PM

We really do need to put up some of these redirects.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#25: Mar 5th 2012 at 8:25:41 PM

Not a single redirect has been added, since the discussion stalled on redirects for the first law. Should we just go for the blunt option and use Girls Stay Girls?


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