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126 Enzeru15th Aug 2011 12:59:46 PM from Orlando, FL χಠ♥
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I like regarding the Donkey Kong series as a spin-off series. I mean, he shows up a lot in the Mushroom Kingdom, but he had to come from somewhere, and he's not a guest star.

Same with Wario and Yoshi.

edited 15th Aug '11 1:00:07 PM by Enzeru

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Yoshi however, is actually firmly rooted in the main franchise. And his spinoff never actually took off, sadly enough.

It probably helps that Yoshi has a clear-cut mechanic that he can add to the gameplay of the platformers, while DK and Wario only served as antagonists for their appearances, which is position already served by Bowser. It would be cool to at least see them cameo in the RP Gs though.
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It's a big pet peeve of mine when people complain about Mario having minimalist plots and characters. Listen, fellas, you're not supposed to think or care about Mario's hidden anguish or Peach's Stockholm syndrome or Bowser's impotence, okay? You're supposed to think about and care about whether you can make your next jump from where you're standing. Yes, I know that today, being "dark" and "cinematic" is where it's at in the video game scene (lamentably), but Mario comes from a different era when video games were about thinking on your feet and overcoming a series of objectives. If that's not what you want, the movies and books aren't going anywhere. If you don't like Mario, fine. That ain't no crime. But whining about the games being unrealistic is nothing short of preposterous.

Should all games be like Mario? No. Should some games be like Mario? Yes. Mario, for instance.
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129 KnownUnknown15th Aug 2011 05:44:02 PM from Here. There. Everywhere.
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DK's universe is separate from Mario's but canonically in the same general universe.

That makes sense to me, though a bit less so for Wario - I've always felt Wario should be just a little more connected to Mario than he is. Not that I'm complaining, any new appearances of Captain Syrup are greatly appreciated.

edited 15th Aug '11 5:44:41 PM by KnownUnknown

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[up][up][up][up] I'm with you. Especially when some of those same people (not on this forum) praise the Team ICO games for having minimalist plots.

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133 X2X15th Aug 2011 07:21:15 PM from the Darkness Beyond Time , Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
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134 KnownUnknown15th Aug 2011 07:24:23 PM from Here. There. Everywhere.
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I've so got to do better picking when I make posts.
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I've said this before, but Mario has actually done deep characterization, just mostly not in the main series. The Paper Mario series delves deep into dark themes and deep characters. In fact, even Super Mario Galaxy had an extensive backstory about Rosalina leaving the Mushroom World forever and coping with the loss of her mother.
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Paper Mario doesn't provide that deep of characterization. And, admit it, outside of Demonic Possesion and creepy music, The Shadow Queen was a silly-looking, only slightly Forshadowed Giant Space Flea from Nowhere.
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137 X2X15th Aug 2011 07:34:01 PM from the Darkness Beyond Time , Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
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Even so, it's not like the Link to the Past and beyond-era Zelda titles or even Metroid in terms of characterization and storytelling. That kind of stuff has always taken a backseat to the core gameplay. I mean, Shiggy himself had Galaxy 2 have as minimal a plot as possible because the first Galaxy had that uncharacteristically deep Rosalina subplot.
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138 KnownUnknown15th Aug 2011 07:48:30 PM from Here. There. Everywhere.
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^^ Super Paper Mario, on the other hand, has Count Bleck.

It also does good characterization, even dark ones, in a very well constructed lighthearted way.
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139 Marioguy12815th Aug 2011 07:54:37 PM from various galaxies
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Unfortunately, that ended up making the plot... weird, to say the least.
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140 Enzeru15th Aug 2011 08:08:48 PM from Orlando, FL χಠ♥
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As far as I knew/know, Superstar Saga and Bowser's Inside Story gave a lot of characterization to Luigi and Bowser respectively.
141 KnownUnknown15th Aug 2011 08:24:37 PM from Here. There. Everywhere.
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And when I think about it, outside the RPG's the series does have a different but no less effective way of doing characterization.

Mario, Luigi, Peach, Daisy, Bowser, Kamek, pretty much all the characters have recognizable personalities that you already know when you enter a Mario game, but the series has never needed to go into work establishing them - though I suppose even then you might say they show their character the most in the spin-offs. The RPG's take those established characters, play with them, and add even more recognizable quirks to them: it's a nice system the Mario franchise has.
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142 Enzeru15th Aug 2011 08:25:41 PM from Orlando, FL χಠ♥
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143 KnownUnknown15th Aug 2011 09:22:43 PM from Here. There. Everywhere.
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I would pay good money for a Wario Kart game: instead of straight up winning, the object of the game is to cheat as much as possible and still get away with it.

If you beat the whole game with everyone, you unlock a Dick Dastardly costume for Waluigi.
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Does Nintendo tell the developers to make the Mario spinoffs, or do the developers ask Nintendo for the license to make them?

edited 16th Aug '11 1:49:59 PM by WaxingName

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145 Beorc16th Aug 2011 12:34:55 PM from hither and yon , Relationship Status: I know
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I dunno. Either way, it's kind of weird that Square Enix made some Mario sports games...
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146 MrW16th Aug 2011 01:06:54 PM from some place
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[up][up][up]I remember hearing that a developer wanted to make a football mario game but nintendo declined.
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well I'm not sure about the "football" part but the developer of the Strikers games tried to do a volleybay/wrestling hybrid (!) game and Nintendo didn't greenlit it.
149 MrW16th Aug 2011 04:30:44 PM from some place
[up][up]They sort of did... in the European definition that is.

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150 Zennistrad16th Aug 2011 10:13:11 PM from Inndikar , Relationship Status: Star-crossed
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For fuck's sake Square, you can at least have Geno or Mallow appear in one of the Mario Sports games, they were good characters...
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