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Rename (alt names crowner 4/17): Plain Name get usage counts

 1 chihuahua 0, Mon, 6th Jun '11 4:27:05 PM from Standoff, USA Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Writer's Welcome Wagon
Okay, Plain Name seems to have a little problem. Right now, the definition is "a character that has a plain name", but this by its own is People Sit on Chairs. Besides, how do we decide if a name is plain?

I think we should change it for when a character points it out, not just when the character's name is simple and plain.

Plain Name found in: 19
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edited 6th Jun '11 4:27:43 PM by chihuahua0

 2 Deboss, Mon, 6th Jun '11 5:29:09 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Yeah, that's obviously Chairs. It might have been an attempt to create a parallel to things like Steve Ulyses Per Hero (I think that's the proper name) where none of that applied.
Hey, I know! For each section, put in a single entry: every name not covered by any significant or unique name trope. :D

Man on the Mountain
Looking at the examples, this looks like another trope altogether. What I see is someone who has a plain name who is surrounded by fantastic ones.

The only problem is I think we already have that one as Aerith and Bob.

edited 7th Jun '11 12:22:08 PM by pokedude10

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—Mark Twain
Dragon Writer
^ Yes, an ordinary name as the exception to a setting of fantastic names is tropable, and yes, Aerith and Bob covers ...

Wait a minute, Aerith and Bob covers the general mixture of fantastic and plain names. It doesn't mandate that one is an exception to the other's rule (and whether we need that distinction at all is debatable).
Having a plain name might be a trope if it is explicitly pointed out that the name doesn't fit someone. Like the second coming of Jesus being named Teddy Jo. Someone who you would think would have a kickass name due to being someone very important instead has a Plain Name.

But that is not even really close this trope.

edited 7th Jun '11 2:01:31 PM by Arha

 7 Madrugada, Tue, 7th Jun '11 2:07:40 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
I don't really think that this is a trope unless the plain name carries some significance within the work by virtue of its plainness.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
The Saint of Lost Causes
[up] That's what I thought too, like the Harry Potter example (Voldemort doesn't like his given name, which says something about his character). It could also be a trope if it's someone that people would expect to have a grandiose name or title, but they turn out to have a really simple one (like Tim from Monty Python and the Holy Grail).

 9 chihuahua 0, Tue, 7th Jun '11 2:20:59 PM from Standoff, USA Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Writer's Welcome Wagon
[up] Well, that covers the Vamprire Bill example too.

I swear we have this though: Some Call Me Tim?

Ninja Edit: Never mind.

edited 7th Jun '11 2:22:39 PM by chihuahua0

^^ That's what I was going for. It's not just the super special person have a plain name, it's that people in the story are surprised that someone in their position has such a plain name.

edited 7th Jun '11 2:22:11 PM by Arha

The Saint of Lost Causes
Interesting... the original YKTTW actually says, "Please try to limit yourself to instances in which a character would be expected to have an extravagant name, but doesn't." Trope decay, maybe?

 12 thewriter, Tue, 7th Jun '11 2:57:12 PM from Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Mr. Awesome
So can I still go ahead with my YKTTW?
This is where my signature is, bitches!
Better name than this one, at least. You can probably mine this one for some examples.
 14 thewriter, Thu, 9th Jun '11 2:15:16 PM from Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Mr. Awesome
Aye Ayer caps, I still need more examples though
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So what are we going to do with the Plain Name itself? Redefine it to when it's explicitly pointed out? Cut it?

Its usage is still anemic, so perhaps something's wrong with it, at least.

 16 Louie W, Fri, 13th Jan '12 5:31:19 PM from Babycowland
Loser
I think that Tom the Dark Lord trope pretty much covers most of the part of Plain Name that is not People Sitting On Chairs, so I would be fine with cutting Plain Name itself. Another option would be to rework it to fit its originally intended definition of "instances in which a character would be expected to have an extravagant name, but doesn't." Basically, I think the main options are the following:

Does it seem worth it to make a page action crowner with those two options on it?

edited 13th Jan '12 5:33:29 PM by LouieW

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someone
How should "instances in which a character would be expected to have an extravagant name, but doesn't, " actually work? Should we discount Super Heroes, whose real names are just generally plain?

edited 3rd Feb '12 3:48:21 AM by ThatHuman

something
I'd say cut this. If there are a lot of nonvillainous examples, maybe they can be taken to YKTTW?
 
 19 Louie W, Wed, 15th Feb '12 5:27:22 PM from Babycowland
Loser
That Human,
I admit that I do not have the best answer to that question, but I would guess that types of characters who generally have plain names would not count. I am thinking that examples of say some super powerful lord of everything named Bill would be more of what the trope would cover.

Anyway, there is now a page action crowner for this trope here with the options I mentioned in my last post.
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 20 shimaspawn, Sun, 18th Mar '12 8:19:01 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
This has been open a month. Calling to keep as a supertrope to Dark Lord Tom.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 21 ccoa, Tue, 17th Apr '12 12:31:43 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Alt names crowner added with suggestions from the thread. Feel free to add more.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 22 Oreochan, Thu, 17th May '12 1:15:55 PM from Pennsylvania
Bump for votes.
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 23 Willbyr, Mon, 11th Jun '12 9:47:38 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Calling crowner in favor of the winning title. Make it so.
 24 Septimus Heap, Mon, 11th Jun '12 10:55:55 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Quasar
Done, with all the details.

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Alternative Titles: Plain Name
17th Apr '12 12:30:05 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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