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Global Commission finds War on Drugs total failure:

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What are you? Some kind of Pepsi lover? Or maybe Doctor Pepper?

But seriously, I could have told you that the War on Drugs was a failure for half the price. Heck, I'd have done it as a freebie if you didn't ask for proof, and really, you aren't going to persuade anybody, so what's the point of proof?

I may not like the pharmaceutical companies, but at least they try for some standard of product safety. Street-dealers, not as such. And some drugs, like marijuana, any idiot could grow in a flower pot. Same with alcohol. You'd have to ban fruit.

edited 2nd Jun '11 10:00:01 AM by blueharp

 
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>Drinks, Smokes weed, used to trip C's, plans on trying half a dozen other hallucination-causing substances

Drug users aren't victims, for the most part. Most do the shit on purpose. Someone without the brains to do the research and think before they get into anything is an idiot, not a poor soul.
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Here's something that might interest people in this discussion.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita

United States jails 715 per 100, 000 people.

As a nice comparison, since everybody loves China... China incarcerates 119 per 100, 000 people.

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"I wonder if they're counting former drug-users in prison. Throwing a large segment of society into prison is ONE way to solve a problem, but it leads to other problems in turn.... "

That's what corporal punishment is for. It's cheaper, and honestly, more humane than taking decades off someone's life.

"Cocaine was the drug of the current gen's forefathers. There's no wonder its use has gone down. Overall drug use, however, is definitely going up.

This is not a bad thing."

Yes, it is.

"Also, why is America the centre of the goddamn universe now?"

Um, non sequitur much? I am an American, and so the drug use of America is what matters to me. What does that have to do with the rest of the "goddamn universe" or the center thereof?

"No, I think people really belive it is working despite evidence to the contrary."

Saying that it is successful in some areas =/= saying it's successful overall. That's simply an indicator that it can be successful overall, if it's taken far enough.
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You really are in favour of bringing back "hang 'em and flog 'em" aren't you wonder. Oy...

I would think that drug use globally would matter to you considering that quite a lot of the money made from it is going into the hands of international terrorists.

And how can it be taken further? Because I don't really see it myself unless you are willing to militarily attack drug dealers, and even then they can now (thanks to the huge amounts of cash they make) basically employ private armies.

 31 Caissas Death Angel, Thu, 2nd Jun '11 12:09:22 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Portugal - now there is a good way to handle drugs legislation.
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And as for the local effectiveness of it, it's kinda nearsighted to say that since it's lowered the use of cocaine in the US, the policy that is destroying large parts of Southern America should be continued.
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 33 Barkey, Thu, 2nd Jun '11 12:45:27 PM from Bunker 051
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^^

Legalize it and left all the addicts OD and die over the course of around a decade?

It actually does have some merit, just say fuck rehab and social welfare programs for people who do drugs, and let all the hardcore users die. Better to flush out the gene pool, shit, I'll buy them the needles.

edited 2nd Jun '11 12:45:46 PM by Barkey

The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
 34 Deboss, Thu, 2nd Jun '11 1:18:15 PM from Awesomeville Texas
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I'm going to go with standard "no shit" response.
Thread Hop: finally people start to notice it. Punishing the addicts does nothing good and forbidding not-so-dangerous drugs like cannabis is pointless. I say let people take it, the wise ones will be responsible and the stupid ones will suffer the usual consequences without additionally having to worry about going to prison and owing money to gangsters
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 36 Tuefel Hunden IV, Thu, 2nd Jun '11 3:43:49 PM from Hunting the Armor. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Yeah this war is done and over with. Oh look everyone's favorite e-currency bitcoins are used. :P

Local News Group Similar Article to what everyone has posted.
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 37 Caissas Death Angel, Thu, 2nd Jun '11 3:56:04 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Barkey - Portugal are decriminalising a lot of drugs with very good results, are they not?

I fully support the treatment of all drugs the way alcohol and cigarettes are treated now - legalise it, tax it to the high heavens, and use some of the money (there will be a surpluss, as there is for the aforementioned) for providing support, education, treatment and detoxing facilities for those who wish to stop using.

Running it as a legal, controlled business puts the illegal dealers in a lot of trouble, though I won't say it eliminates them outright. That would be naive, blackmarkets exist for absolutely everything anyway. But those who want a product that is safe will get one. And yes, drugs aren't completely safe yadda yadda, you know what I mean. You won't get brick dust or rat poison mixed into your pills and powders.

Granted, massive purity increases can be deadly; Dumfries, the market town where I grew up, had to do a whole load of media annoucements because rather than the usual 10% purity heroin on the streets, they were getting 30% stuff from Glasgow without realising it. This meant junkies were dying in droves from the much stronger drugs they were unknowingly taken. But of course, information and education will massively increase with legalisation too, so people will be informed in a non-judgemental way.

edited 2nd Jun '11 3:56:56 PM by CaissasDeathAngel

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 38 FF Shinra, Thu, 2nd Jun '11 4:28:46 PM from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Weed should be banned on account of smelling like hot dogshit. Otherwise, meh on it.

Meth and other hard shit should definately go though for reasons already stated.
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 39 Shinziril, Thu, 2nd Jun '11 4:55:42 PM from the internet
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Personal opinions:

Meth/cocaine/heroin: nasty shit. Get the dealers in jail and the customers in rehab.

Alcohol: really unhelpful, but has been around for far too long for banning it to work.

Marijuana: needs a "Do not drive or operate heavy machinery" label like they put on various sedatives, probably not great for you, but barely even worth noticing compared to the higher-level drugs. Let the vice squads pay attention to more important matters.

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What I've been hearing around California, that so-called bastion of "liberal"-ness: drunk drivers are bad enough, the majority of the population doesn't appear to be interested in adding high, baked, strung-out, tripping, and freaking-out drivers to the mix.

Of course, then the problem is that California doesn't have a whole lot for public transportation, so once that's done, I hope this argument will move further.

Except theres already those kind of drivers. The only difference would be making sure they get the drug from legal sources that are more controlled in their dosage, and giving out a legal limit for how much you can take before driving.

edited 2nd Jun '11 6:20:54 PM by Midgetsnowman

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 42 Barkey, Thu, 2nd Jun '11 7:18:47 PM from Bunker 051
War Profiteer
The thing in California is that all these quack doctors just hand out medical marijuana cards like they are candy on halloween, at least it generates revenue.

^^

Why can't people just get high in their homes? Don't fucking drive, it's pretty simple. Just attach the same legal restrictions on getting high to drinking alcohol. Only do it in your own home or in special establishments(I.E. bar type establishments) where it's allowed. You're allowed to walk around high but you aren't allowed to smoke weed outside either of those two types of locations, and you aren't allowed to drive while stoned. If you start being a public nuisance, you'll get the same sort of charge that being drunk in public nets you.

So in other words: Get high privately and don't make an ass out of yourself.

edited 2nd Jun '11 7:20:49 PM by Barkey

The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
 43 drunkscriblerian, Thu, 2nd Jun '11 7:26:46 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
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What Barkey said. When it comes to pot, there's nothing a stoned person can fuck up that a drunk person can't fuck up just as bad. So that isn't a valid argument for making weed illegal, unless you plan to also make alcohol illegal. And we already know that doesn't work.
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This is news? We've know it to be a failure for YEARS

 45 Tuefel Hunden IV, Thu, 2nd Jun '11 8:19:15 PM from Hunting the Armor. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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 46 chartoc, Sun, 5th Jun '11 1:00:11 PM from Spring Lake, NC Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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The reason why the drug war was/is a failure from the first day because of the forbidden fruit principle, the more something is restricted, the more people want it.
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 47 Pykrete, Sun, 5th Jun '11 2:27:54 PM from Viridian Forest
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So if it's about rebellion and forbidden fruit, what happens when the least harmful avenues of it are made acceptable?

edited 5th Jun '11 2:28:30 PM by Pykrete

 48 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sun, 5th Jun '11 3:18:32 PM from Hunting the Armor. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
It is more then just forbidden fruit. Some folks don't care if it is forbidden or not they want to do drugs they will do drugs. Drugs like weed used to be widely culturally acceptable. For the most it still is.

edited 5th Jun '11 3:18:43 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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 49 feotakahari, Sun, 5th Jun '11 6:30:31 PM from Looking out at the city
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There's certainly something bizarre about a system where taking drugs on my college's campus is punishable by expulsion, but a local shop barely tries to hide that it's a front for dealing drugs. (Then again, I'm in California, which is pretty liberal about these things.)
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