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Ku Klux Klan vs. Westboro Baptist Church:

Is that cake frosting?
On the other hand, I have my worries that's not what the Bible says. Considering that the Bible also would seem to support blatant sexism and the rape of the Midianites.
Well, sure, in the OT. Which, as I said, is definitely not to be taken as a literal code of behavior. It still was miles better than what other contemporary cultures had — the early Greek culture, for example, had plenty of aspects which were very much objectionable, to say nothing of the Babylonian one — and it can be seen as the description of how the Hebrews' religion gradually brought them to a better understanding of morality.

If you compare the Deuteronomy to some of the later books, or to the New Testament, the improvement is evident. And even the New Testament is not always to be taken literally, either: it was divinely inspired, but it was also influenced by the mindset of the time (just as the Old Testament was).

edited 31st May '11 1:53:37 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 52 Bobby G, Tue, 31st May '11 2:02:52 AM from the Silvery Tay
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I'm sorry, I realise I am entirely at fault here, that I made a borderline off-topic comment that started this sidetrack and that I perpetuated it on the page that followed, so please forgive me for being monstrously hypocritical when I say that this really isn't the thread for discussing Biblical morality, and if you want to do that, could you please start another thread for it?
Is that cake frosting?
Right, sorry for the derail.

I should stop procrastinating anyway, if the others want to keep discussing the issue maybe we can make another thread for it.
But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 54 vijeno, Tue, 31st May '11 8:44:15 AM from Vienna, Austria
The necessary homosexuality tangent:

@Bobby G: Weeeelll.... one can argue, and I think it is fairly reasonable, that the bible didn't know anything of our modern idea of sexual orientation. I don't think they had any explanation for why people sometimes perform homosexual acts. All it banned was really those acts themselves. And in fact, the only homosexual act explicitely forbidden is "a man lying with a man", i.e. male-to-male anal sex. Female homosexuality was probably a completely alien concept to those people. Or rather, female sexuality in general was alien.

Soo... how can the bible be against homosexuality when it clearly does not know, nor care, what homosexuality is?

If you want to go down the literalist route, and be stringent about it, how exactly is it even possible for a man to lie with a man as with a woman? Sorry, we just don't have the necessary orifices. So if you want to be literalist, you'll have to admit that the bible does not prohibit homosexuality.

Is that cake frosting?
I created a new thread here to discuss the whole "homosexuality and Christianity" issue without derailing this thread any further.

edited 31st May '11 9:16:03 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 56 Hungry Joe, Tue, 31st May '11 12:39:27 PM from Under the Tree
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The KKK finally redeems itself. Still bosom buddies with the NRA.
Charlie Tunoku is a lover and a fighter.
I lol'd
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 58 chihuahua 0, Tue, 31st May '11 12:50:23 PM from Standoff, USA Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Yes, Gay Jewish Klansmen aren't into Spongebob
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 60 Hungry Joe, Tue, 31st May '11 12:57:27 PM from Under the Tree
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^^r u shur?
Charlie Tunoku is a lover and a fighter.
"The Ku Klux Klan, LLC. has not or EVER will have ANY connection with The "Westboro Baptist Church". We absolutely repudiate their tactics."
I bet they'd respect the WBC more if it engaged in lynchings instead of funeral protests.
 
 62 Hungry Joe, Tue, 31st May '11 2:52:24 PM from Under the Tree
Gristknife
That's silly Tongpu, nobody could lynch as many folks as the WBC claims to want to!
Charlie Tunoku is a lover and a fighter.
The Phelps family is quite big
"Take your (...) hippy dream world, I'll take reality and earning my happiness with my own efforts" - Barkey
That's silly Tongpu, nobody could lynch as many folks as the WBC claims to want to!
That is beside the point. The KKK claims repudiates the WBC's tactics, not its success rate. http://kukluxklan.bz/release.html:
The Ku Klux Klan, LLC. has not or EVER will have ANY connection with The "Westboro Baptist Church". We absolutely repudiate their tactics of protesting the funerals of U.S. soldiers, men and women who die serving our Nation. We do NOT question their Christianity or right to speak, publish or preach. We agree with many of their teachings, especially that Homosexuality is an abomination before Yahvey God the Father.

 
 65 thespacephantom, Tue, 31st May '11 4:39:18 PM from white-hot pathos, a desecrated symphony
name's the same
Good for them, the bigots.

Heh, you can't tell who I'm talking about! evil grin
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This is more a translation derail than a Christianity derail, so I think it still goes here:

Deuxhero is wrong; the passage is not after stuff about pigs, it's after stuff about incest. (Little translation note: I use the NIV because it's usually pretty clear, but in this case I think they've made it more up front than it really was. Nowhere in the OT does it say "had sexual relations with" outright.)

That said, if you wanted to stretch it, it is, in the original Hebrew, "do not lie with a man as you would lie with a woman", and presumably gay men wouldn't lie with a woman at all... (More plausibly, this is God speaking to the people of Israel specifically. Nothing he says here applies to non-Jews at all.)
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Someone get some popcorn. This could be a hell of a fight: In this corner, the 19th century-born racists, the white wizard wankers, the KKK! And in this corner, the more recent upcomers, the homosexual haters, the ridiculous religious rantings, the WBC! Let's get ready to rumble!

But seriously, am I the only one who finds it insane that two highly prejudiced sides are basically fighting each other??? It's like a contest of {[Eviler Than Thou}}, and there's no clear winner.
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 68 Saint Deltora, Fri, 5th Jul '13 3:22:25 PM from Brazil Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
This thread was dead for one year and a few months. Why did you necroed it?
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Rei:-Thinking- That is debatable.

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 69 Madrugada, Fri, 5th Jul '13 3:24:58 PM Relationship Status: In season
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I don't know why he necro'd it but he didn't add anything of value with his post. Locking it up.

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'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
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