Race- Privilege, Relations, Racism, etc.:

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[up][up]1970s, as I recall. Early 1970s.

edited 11th Mar '14 4:34:38 PM by BonsaiForest

2327 demarquis11th Mar 2014 05:35:22 PM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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As an aside, was that Sun Ra the musician?
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2328 BlueNinja012th Mar 2014 06:40:00 AM from Hiding in the corner , Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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2329 RadicalTaoist13th Mar 2014 02:50:33 AM from the #GUniverse
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Asked to identify the age of a young boy that committed a felony, participants in a study routinely overestimated the age of black children far more than they did white kids.
The study, published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, aimed at figuring out the extent to which black children were likely to be treated differently than their white peers solely based on race.
Author Phillip Atiba Goff of UCLA told the American Psychological Association, ”Our research found that black boys can be seen as responsible for their actions at an age when white boys still benefit from the assumption that children are essentially innocent.”
That said, there are some big problems with the data collection (pointed out in the link above).
2330 joeyjojo13th Mar 2014 06:09:56 AM from South Sydney: go the bunnies!
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[up][up]That one has been common knowledge in academic sociologies circles for quite awhile actually.

edited 13th Mar '14 6:10:11 AM by joeyjojo

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@The carjacking video:

Something parallel is being discussed in the Women's Issues thread in that the "he shouldn't have been dressed like a thug" argument is tossed all around the comments section of that video. One of the problems I have with that argument is that it deflects - and nurses - the problem with race relationship (just as i does with rape culture) rather than confronting the problem.

Instead of pondering "hey, it's really weird and wrong that the black guy was confronted by two officers when the white guy wasn't", the rationalization that pops up is "well, that is a conservative neighborhood and the white guy was dressed more nicely, and the LAPD are pricks in general" etc, etc. These are all valid arguments in and of themselves, but when perpetuated in aggregate, they cause a very real social dilemma to fester by not identify racial profiling (again, like rape) for what it is.
2332 joesolo13th Mar 2014 11:24:22 AM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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I think the fact the location changes between filmings was of more concern, but you make a point
2333 RadicalTaoist21st Mar 2014 10:17:14 PM from the #GUniverse
2334 Xopher00125th Mar 2014 04:31:22 AM from 38.5061° N, 76.5177° W , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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So apprently some celebrity named Nick Cannon wore whiteface to promote something. My question is is that ok? I mean it's kind of a doube standard, but then blackface has more if a history than whiteface, soo
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2335 joesolo25th Mar 2014 04:54:24 AM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Well he can, but he loses any right to complain about blackface and be taken seriously.
2336 LoniJay25th Mar 2014 04:59:18 AM from Australia , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Well, has whiteface been used to belittle/oppress white people in the past?
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2337 ronin50425th Mar 2014 05:00:04 AM , Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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[up][up]No, just no. When whiteface has the same racial history behind it, then it would be the same. Until then, no matter how distasteful you may find it, it is not even remotely in the same league.

edited 25th Mar '14 5:01:02 AM by ronin504

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2338 Achaemenid25th Mar 2014 05:03:04 AM from Blades , Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
2339 joesolo25th Mar 2014 05:14:35 AM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Well ok if you want a double standard.

Imitating utter races in general should be seen as bad from previous incidents. Ie, The holocaust isn't just a lesson in why genocide against Jews is bad.

[up] except for the red lips that actually looks like a black guy I know.

edited 25th Mar '14 5:16:28 AM by joesolo

2340 LoniJay25th Mar 2014 05:23:31 AM from Australia , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
There is nothing inherently offensive about painting your face, minus that historical context. The history of what blackface has been used for is what MAKES it offensive.
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2341 Achaemenid25th Mar 2014 08:24:52 AM from Blades , Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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Belgian newspaper publishes doctored photo of the Obamas as apes.

The photo is here. Apparently it's "satire" - the pictures are meant to have been sent in by Vladimir Putin.
2342 joesolo25th Mar 2014 08:57:25 AM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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Satire or not that's in bad taste.
The question is: are other politicians targeted by similar satire? If other politicians are portrayed as (insulting) animals, then it's not much of a problem. If not, bloody racism (though the Obamas are light-skinned enough not to be called "black" outside of the US - more like "mixed").
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Saw that story yesterday. That is so stupid- satirizing the (unproven) racism of someone by making a racist image and attributing it to them.

While granting that these are common racist attacks against the Obamas, I kind of come away wondering about the secret prejudices of whoever created the "satire".
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2345 Mandemo25th Mar 2014 12:10:50 PM from Cookie Jar , Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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I am not so sure if showing Obama as an ape is enough to call racism yet... I mean, how often was Bush shown as an ape, again? Wasn't a running gag?

Not to mention those are not even good shops. With Bush, people just picked the same expression. With Obama, they had to add (baldly) the ape part.

If they did it because Obama is black, then it's racism. If it's because they want to make fun of Obama as a politician, it's not. It's satire.
2346 Gabrael25th Mar 2014 01:36:37 PM from My musings , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Associating black people with apes has a long and horrible history from how they are supposedly not as evolved as whites (a popular justification for slavery) to the popular slur "porch monkey" to slander the black man's supposed laziness, and everything in between.
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2347 JOESOLO25th Mar 2014 03:44:21 PM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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the whole Africans=monkeys thing is too common for it to look innocent. while they may not mean it badly, it's gonna be taken that way.
Cleric of Banjo
That. Also, its important that the article is not a (debatably racist) satire of Obama- it is a satire of Vladimir Putin which satirizes him by presenting him as racist against Obama.

Which is to say it basically satirizes racism by engaging in racism.

Edit- Kind of different circumstances, but I was reminded by this story I read about a German Newspaper Cartoon satirizing Mark Zuckerberg. It looks so obviously like Nazi anti-Semitic propaganda that I at first glance I didn't even pick up the references to Facebook, but the cartoonist was very surprised that people interpreted it that way.

edited 25th Mar '14 4:37:14 PM by Hodor

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2349 Mandemo25th Mar 2014 04:39:40 PM from Cookie Jar , Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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I know this is... shall we say, unpopular opinion, but we can't just treat everything as "It's not racist if it's against white people". Comparing someone to ape based on color is racist, but doing it for some other reason is not.

If we are deciding how offended the target should be based on their color, well, isn't that also a form of racism? Not a full blown racism, but I hope you people understand what I mean.
2350 JOESOLO25th Mar 2014 04:44:29 PM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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[up] you've got a point there. we do trend a bit lightly with any given race that has been discriminated against(unless they're now "white enough", ie, Italians, Poles, ect, who were regularly mistreated fairly recently).

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