Race- Privilege, Relations, Racism, etc.

Cross posting from US Politics:

A resolution denouncing neo-Nazis and white supremacists as terrorist groups dies in committee in 36 seconds, not even reaching the Tennessee state legislature.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/tennessee-white-nationalist-resolution-trnd/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/us/arizona-mosque-hate-video-arrest/index.html

Two mothers are arrested for vandalizing as Mosque. One of them appears to be Hispanic. And sad of all they took their kids when they vandalized the place, and looks like their hateful views are spreading to them since they are reported to have said some really unrepeatable words.

Unfortunate but unsurprising, human filth like that tend to try very hard to inculcate their children with their cancerous ideals.

edited 17th Mar '18 8:17:31 PM by Fourthspartan56

Inculcate. Inoculation is for immunization.

Oops, thanks for the correction.

A new study released, that looked at income and inequality along racial lines, found that being black is a bigger negative to future earnings than the positive of starting off with rich parents. ^{Full article text} From text copy of NY Times, emphasis mine.

So, even the power of money cant defeat racism?

I have to admit, that destroy totally the argument of "but money is more important than race!" that many persons like Bernie bros and both sidist use.

In the other side, is sad that even rich black people seem to be lower in the hierarchy than poor white people.

Curiously it only really seems to be hitting black men harder than black women. Though maybe that also says something about how institutional sexism hurts white women too. The interplay of racism and sexism (and if you want throw in homophobia and transphobia) can be pretty weird and scary.

But yes, this does cast even more doubt on the Bro argument that focusing on the economy will alleviate bigotry.

edited 19th Mar '18 7:50:31 PM by M84

I think that a better economy can help low racism (slighty) and create a easier opportunity to Social Justice reforms, but of course, that dont mean that we should ignore it until we live in a post scarcity utopia

And trust me, the interplay between types of bigotry (and tolerance of certain groups) is certainly something amazing. Is a REAAAAALLLLY interesting subject.

edited 19th Mar '18 8:00:51 PM by KazuyaProta

This article actually reminds me of a poignant The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air episode. The one where Carlton and Will got pulled over by cops for driving a Mercedes and were nearly charged with grand theft auto. Will bluntly pointed out to Carlton that Carlton's nice clothes, good upbringing, education, etc. meant nothing compared to the kind of institutionalized racism that convinces cops that the only way a black person could be driving a Mercedes would be if they stole it.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/videos/20180315153035763/

NHK has a short video on how South Korea's promotion towards Muslim visitors are met with resistance from the locals due to problems in accommodating their needs.

For the latest example of "it's not terrorism if he's white," Austin police have no idea what the bomber's motive was, despite his clear targeting of minorities and participation in a survivalist group. ^{Full article text} Bold emphasis mine, italic emphasis from original.

The article's headline is pretty on-the-nose.

"Austin Chief Baffled by What Could’ve Motivated White Right-Wing Survivalist Bomber to Kill Two Black People"

@ Blue Ninja 0

I think the eagerness in this article to lambast people for not automatically calling it terrorism is really irksome.

edited 22nd Mar '18 8:25:05 PM by firewriter

.... he planned to bomb a place. That's causing terror

HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT TERRORISM

Edit: I've got my mass murders mixed up

edited 22nd Mar '18 8:27:19 PM by Pachylad

He's a white right-wing guy, that's how it's not terrorism in the eye's of Firewriter and the right as a whole.

Lets look at the definition here shall we.

Does mass bombing meet that definition?

Yes

Therefor it is terrorism.

edited 22nd Mar '18 8:27:25 PM by Imca

Yep, to them it's the outcry of a "very challenged young man".

edited 22nd Mar '18 8:27:30 PM by M84

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/03/22/police-calling-austin-bombing-suspect-terrorist

“Until that investigation is complete, it’s hard to figure out what category this guy sits in,” Taylor said. “It’s frustrating. We want to grab something and say this guy fits into this nice little paradigm, he matches this definition exactly, but that’s not the case of reality.”

The list of convicted domestic terrorists in America is fairly short. Aside from police not finding evidence of terror, prosecutors often avoid charging defendants with domestic terrorism because it's hard to prove and they don't want to give terrorists a platform to spout their ideology."

Here are the reasons why. And I think a lot of it is neglected to be mentioned in that Slate Article. I think the eagerness to prove a lot of cases like this as terrorism really seems to come from trying to have an example of people proving their stances on right wing terrorism.

@ Fourthspartan 56

Because when a white guy does acts like this it won't always fit into the definition of terrorism. It's not the simplistic caricature of all right wing think no white person can't be terrorists. I think some on the left have been too eager happy to rush to label everything terrorism that ironically it can become meaningless.

edited 22nd Mar '18 8:31:28 PM by firewriter

Gotta love white shooters/bombers getting a thousand thinkpieces on how they're 'mentally ill' or 'troubled children who needed someone to reach out to them' while minority victims of cop violence get their 'problematic'/'gangster pose' photos from social media dug up for how they were 'not the angelic figure the (LIBERAL) media wants you to believe'

edited 22nd Mar '18 8:29:25 PM by Pachylad

Yup I 'love' it too, it just fills me up with 'happiness' (read: disgust and rage).

Or even better, when rightwingers who shoot up places get branded as antifa instead in attempts to make antifa look bad.

There's a difference in something being legally terrorism and actually terrorism, as you point out. Whether or not this case is legally terrorism, it's actually terrorism by the definition of the word.

edited 22nd Mar '18 8:31:01 PM by archonspeaks

Somebody trying to blow up people with explosives pretty much sounds like terrorism to me.

The problem is a a lot of left wing sources are claiming they don't want to label him a terrorist because of his race, but it's more to do as pointed out to his motive and frankly that has been spelled out in other articles that are neutral.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/147603/austin-bombing-suspect-homeschooled-christian-conservative

Also that RIOT survival group he was part of. It's not some alt-right group as some people seem to be mistaking it for, but just a survival Christian group that includes outdoor activities. The mention of guns and knives might put people on the edge, but they also have other activities like water play. I do think that part about them has been sensationalized into making it seem like they are an alt-right group.

"Schultz said they were both involved in a group called Righteous Invasion of Truth (RIOT), a Bible study and outdoors group for homeschooled kids that included monthly activities such as archery, gun skills, and water balloon fights. Conditt and his younger sister would usually attend the activities along with 15 to 20 other kids, according to Schultz."

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/147603/austin-bombing-suspect-homeschooled-christian-conservative

If this was an alt-right group, then this would be a pointer to him being a part of the alt-right. However, given the truth behind the group, it actually points to the fact that we still don't know what radicalized this man. I wouldn't rule out him a nihilist, who wanted to take out as many people in the world. If we find an alt-right right wing group he was influenced by or other stuff, then I do think that he deserves the terrorist label.

edited 22nd Mar '18 8:49:55 PM by firewriter