First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
NRA TV: If Black Lives Matters "succeeds," white families be tortured and killed.
These are people America SHOULD be worried about. But since to many of them, they look like their parents or grandparents, they'll do jack shit.
Oh, bother.
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Between this and that recent ad they put out, the NRA is looking even worse than usual. I guess they're at a loss of what to fill airtime with now that they can't drum up fear against a Democratic President "taking their gunz".
edited 20th Jul '17 10:28:45 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
Wow that is ironic.
I loath the NRA, they're bad enough normally but they seem to have gotten worse.
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
Huh. I hadn't even finished the first sentence before my opinion shifted to "f*ck this guy." And the way he characterized that crazy video calling for gun owners to go to war on liberals ("if you break things, you leave the police no choice but to respond..."). I'd sooner believe that Kyras's speech was a peaceful call to support law abiding ppl.
Student of Story
Florida mayoral candidate tells black activists "Obama was reparations, go back to Africa"
Congemi, 60, a Republican long-shot in St. Petersburg’s mayoral race, seized headlines at Tuesday’s forum with his invective, which was laced with Barack Obama references and suggestions about Florida-to-Africa flight plans.
“Mr. Nevel, you and your people talk about reparations,” he said, mentioning Jesse Nevel, a white campaign opponent who heads a group calling for reparations for African Americans. “The reparations that you talk about, Mr. Nevel, your people already got your reparations. Your reparations came in the form of a man named Barack Obama.”
He added: “My advice to you, if you don’t like it here in America, planes leave every hour from Tampa airport. Go back to Africa. Go back to Africa. Go back!”
And for extra points:
Now, he’s a Republican and a Trump supporter.
He said he believes homosexuality is immoral and criticized incumbent mayor Rick Kriseman, a Democrat, for taking part in St. Petersburg’s gay pride parade and flying the pride flag over city hall.
“I’m not politically correct,” Congemi said.
The unnamed police officers’ injuries were so grave, and so grievously unfair, that it’s not hard to understand this officer’s urge to hold someone accountable. But blaming Black Lives Matter is wrong.
Black Lives Matter believes that political activism can change police departments. A suicide note found in Gavin Long’s car advanced a contrary proposition, that only killing cops would bring change. He called his murders a “necessary evil,” writing, “I must bring the same destruction that bad cops continue to inflict upon my people, upon bad cops as well as good cops in hopes that the good cops (which are the majority) will be able to stand together to enact justice & punishment against bad cops b/c right now the police force & current judicial system is not doing so.”
Last July, Gavin Long, a black, 29-year-old former Marine, ambushed police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, killing three officers and wounding three more before being killed. Now one of the wounded, who was rendered permanently disabled in the shooting, has filed a federal lawsuit against the Black Lives Matter movement and activists including De Ray Mckesson and Johnetta Elzie, whom he blames for inciting the attack.
The unnamed police officers’ injuries were so grave, and so grievously unfair, that it’s not hard to understand this officer’s urge to hold someone accountable. But blaming Black Lives Matter is wrong.
Black Lives Matter believes that political activism can change police departments. A suicide note found in Gavin Long’s car advanced a contrary proposition, that only killing cops would bring change. He called his murders a “necessary evil,” writing, “I must bring the same destruction that bad cops continue to inflict upon my people, upon bad cops as well as good cops in hopes that the good cops (which are the majority) will be able to stand together to enact justice & punishment against bad cops b/c right now the police force & current judicial system is not doing so.”
Last July, Gavin Long, a black, 29-year-old former Marine, ambushed police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, killing three officers and wounding three more before being killed. Now one of the wounded, who was rendered permanently disabled in the shooting, has filed a federal lawsuit against the Black Lives Matter movement and activists including De Ray Mckesson and Johnetta Elzie, whom he blames for inciting the attack.
The unnamed police officers’ injuries were so grave, and so grievously unfair, that it’s not hard to understand this officer’s urge to hold someone accountable. But blaming Black Lives Matter is wrong.
Black Lives Matter believes that political activism can change police departments. A suicide note found in Gavin Long’s car advanced a contrary proposition, that only killing cops would bring change. He called his murders a “necessary evil,” writing, “I must bring the same destruction that bad cops continue to inflict upon my people, upon bad cops as well as good cops in hopes that the good cops (which are the majority) will be able to stand together to enact justice & punishment against bad cops b/c right now the police force & current judicial system is not doing so.”
The killer also posted a coded video to You Tube before he acted, stating that “there are no affiliations—I thought my own thoughts, I made my own decisions, I’m the one whose got to listen to the judgment.” The video includes a list of groups with which he associated. Black Lives Matter wasn’t even among those groups. The Washington Post reports that “an exhaustive investigative report determined Long had not attended any of the Black Lives Matter demonstrations in Baton Rouge” following the controversial police killing of Alton Sterling. He “believed protests were a waste of time.”
And having observed Mckesson in particular since the beginning of the Black Lives Matter movement, over the course of many interviews, live streams, and panel discussions, I cannot recall a single instance of rhetoric from him that constitutes incitement. He clearly believes marching, tweeting, and the specific policy reforms set forth in Campaign Zero are the way to achieve his desired political ends.
Nor does the legal complaint present any quotations from him or any Black Lives Matter leader that constitute incitement.
Wow, I am honestly lost for words. I have nothing but contempt for that person.
so i made a new avatar
Any excuse to paint BLM as a terrorist group.
The Wanderer
NAACP Holds First Trump-Era Convention With New Interim Leader
On Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders confirmed that for the second year President Trump declined the NAACP's invitation to speak at the national convention, which has hosted both Presidents Obama and George W. Bush while they were in office. Trump skipped the event last year as a presidential candidate.
Sanders said that the Trump administration would like to have dialogue with the group. In a written statement, the chair of the NAACP's national board of directors, Leon Russell, said they're ready.
But he also added that Trump's decision "underscores the harsh fact ... we've lost the will of the current administration to listen to issues facing the Black community."
Hmm, I wonder why Trump would refuse to speak for the NAACP? Strangle really, his supporters insist that he's not a racist so I can't imagine why he wouldn't do that.
Trump has an allergy to criticism and I'd imagine a NAACP meeting will give him plenty of criticism.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Well of course, but I was more angling towards the fact that at best Trump is indifferent towards African American issues at worst racist (likely both).
Well, I need to get this off my chest since it's bugging me a lot:
Apparently, the creators of Game of Thrones are doing a new show called "Confederate" that depicts a US in which the South seceeded. And apparently, they're already being criticised (Vox) for simply being white.
My concern is that, nowadays, being black does not make you any more qualified to understand the suffering of slaves since you weren't one and probably don't have a living relative who was one either. Would it also be correct to lambast an Asian director for not comprehending the suffering of Roman slaves because he is not an European? This whole "controversy" is just ridiculous.
Life is unfair...
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
While slavery is (mostly) abstracted from the present black experience in America, give or take the residents of prison facilities like Angola, it can be hard for people to grasp just how pervasive living under racism is without a certain amount of lived experience. It really does creep into every aspect of your life. Plus, Game of Thrones has not historically been the most racially sensitive show - it produced this infamous shot
, for instance - so the show-runners' willingness to learn from black people may be somewhat in question.
edited 24th Jul '17 2:09:18 AM by Iaculus
What's precedent ever done for us?
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
There's also this really weird and recent rend of having the genocidal bad guys win in media as a "what if" scenario recently that doesn't sit well with me.
Something about it just makes me uneasy and I get the feeling a lot of fuck awful people enjoy it for the wrong reasons. Or it's being written for the wrong reasons in the first place like this recent comics stint where Captain America is a Nazi.
Oh really when?
United Earth
The color contrast was accidental, but that doesn't make the shot any less tasteless, on many levels besides White Man's Burden.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Oh, bother.
I can just picture the Misaimed Fandom for this upcoming show...blech.
Disgusted, but not surprised
It's simply Alternative History, I get a lot of enjoyment from imagining how the world could have been had certain events unfolded differently. Nothing wrong with that.
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
Honestly I'm pretty sure a great deal of fans of these things don't like it for the same reasons you do.
Oh really when?
Imagine if the post-secession South is actually shown as the economic mess it would have been....
Because in the end it's not so much about the fact that there's a story set in a world where the South successfully seceded, but about HOW the resulting country is portrayed.
edited 24th Jul '17 2:33:41 AM by DrunkenNordmann
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Oh, bother.
Hopefully it won't devolve into some kind of Villain Sue bullshit like The Draka.
Considering how iffy GOT got when it overran the books... I have no confidence that this won't be the biggest Lost Cause circle jerk since Gods And Generals.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
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'Economic mess' is a very relative thing. If the Confederacy was able to leverage its considerable petrochemical reserves, we'd probably be looking at a bigger, whiter version of Saudi Arabia, with a thin paintjob of democracy. Awful for the serfs keeping it running, but a major and near-indispensable player in world politics.
edited 24th Jul '17 4:27:52 AM by Iaculus
What's precedent ever done for us?
Well, assuming said CSA doesn't end up facing some flavor of populist uprisings ala Russia....
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
I doubt Confederate will actually be full of apologetics, but based on their questionable and very inconsistent work with Game of Thrones, I don't think D&D have the tact or skill to portray it with any historical nuance while also avoiding a Misaimed Fandom. Though they do have actual African Americans working alongside them as showrunners, I'm not sure how much influence they do have, and the viewpoint of two people aren't a standin for the melange of viewpoints from a whole ethnic group. I have little hope for the show to actually be any good as a simple piece of entertainment, let alone a fair depiction of a sensitive subject.
X-posted from the US Politics thread:
Airbnb host: Go ahead we have Trump.
To no one's surprise in this thread, Trump's presidency is enabling racist behaviour.
I'm also dealing with my grandmother, who's in her middle 80's, moving from closet racist to overt racist. After some comments saying that black people should be turned into tar soap during a family dinner and how we'd be all better off if we could get rid of undesirable people. With my family being originated from Jewish Sephardi immigrants, the irony wasn't lost on me.
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